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2023-24 NHL Season Discussion Thread #1: Here we Go!

Nov. 10, 2023 at 9:49 p.m.
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the popsicle guy scored, as expected
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:01 p.m.
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Is the "Woll" littered w/ holes?
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Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
Is the "Woll" littered w/ holes?
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Other than goal 1 it was mostly defensive zone breakdowns or being screened by his own guy

He had a solid OT
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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it rocks that reaves is basically unplayable. glad he's getting more than most people make in their lives to try and lose games for his team.
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:08 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Other than goal 1 it was mostly defensive zone breakdowns or being screened by his own guy

He had a solid OT


Reg Season, OT-smo-tee...Keep up that 2.90/9.10 ya hear

Good win, Battle of Alberta 2023-24 = for the League basement!
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:09 p.m.
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Quoting: mondo
it rocks that reaves is basically unplayable. glad he's getting more than most people make in their lives to lose games for his team.


At this point just play Holmberg

Unless the other team has a gritty fighter no point to use him

Like Lucic aint in CGY anymore

But yea CGY got some nice Dman its shopping time
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:10 p.m.
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Marner’s shootout goal should not have counted. Once the puck goes backward, play is dead
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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Vegas scored before the anthem singer left the freakin' ice LOL...
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Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:16 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
Vegas scored before the anthem singer left the freakin' ice LOL...


VGK since 2018-2021 TBL look like they can go b2b

They literally have no holes

And have space to add at the TDL
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:19 p.m.
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VGK since 2018-2020 TBL look like they can go b2b

They literally have no holes

And have space to add at the TDL


Only anti-Stanley-tonic for how they are playing - a Conn Smythe goalie in the opposing net!
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:51 p.m.
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Zadorov's agent casually going off on CGY in his own way lul

https://twitter.com/HockeyAgent1/status/1723178320395645000
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:51 p.m.
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zadorov 4 klingberg
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Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:53 p.m.
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zadorov 4 klingberg


Now I dont think CGY would do that unless we attatch stuff

BUT

What I will say is I would love to get not only him but Tanev as well

Both are solid (And there is a way to do it but requires ret by CGY)
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:54 p.m.
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I have a feeling we'll see a Zadorov to Toronto trade materialize sooner than later. McMann was suspiciously held out of tonights Marlies game for "precautionary reasons". He seems like a guy the Flames would have some degree of interest in. Maybe they swing on an Alex Steeves. I can't foresee Klingberg going back the other way though. Maybe he gets stuck on LTIR given his hip issues? Maybe he gets dealt to a team like the Hawks attached with our 1st for a guy like Raddysh?
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:55 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
I have a feeling we'll see a Zadorov to Toronto trade materialize sooner than later. McMann was suspiciously held out of tonights Marlies game for "precautionary reasons". He seems like a guy the Flames would have some degree of interest in. Maybe they swing on an Alex Steeves. I can't foresee Klingberg going back the other way though. Maybe he gets stuck on LTIR given his hip issues? Maybe he gets dealt to a team like the Hawks attached with our 1st for a guy like Raddysh?


Also, a guy like Dueher would be a fantastic Reaves replacement. Big fan of his
Nov. 10, 2023 at 10:56 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
I have a feeling we'll see a Zadorov to Toronto trade materialize sooner than later. McMann was suspiciously held out of tonights Marlies game for "precautionary reasons". He seems like a guy the Flames would have some degree of interest in. Maybe they swing on an Alex Steeves. I can't foresee Klingberg going back the other way though. Maybe he gets stuck on LTIR given his hip issues? Maybe he gets dealt to a team like the Hawks attached with our 1st for a guy like Raddysh?


Just give Kling with some nice assets to CGY to help the tank and convince them to send us Tanev to

We help their tank they give us 2 nice Dman

Will probs cost a pretty penny but hey having a solid Dcore will make it all good

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Tanev
Zadorov-Gio

Bottom 2 pairings get equal ice time
Nov. 11, 2023 at 11:02 a.m.
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Remembrance Day today. Today we honour all the brave men and women who fought and gave their lives for our country. Lest we forget
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Nov. 11, 2023 at 2:13 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 11, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.
Want to see a Draisaitl trade so bad.

would shake NHL, Also give EDM a great oppurtunity too figure out their cap add depth/Picks, and potentially come of this draft with a great player.

he has a 10 team trade list. Have to assume the list includes mostly good big market teams.

I personally have a very easy time seeing Draisaitl in a NYR jersey
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Nov. 11, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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Goaltender updates

Dustin Wolf (6 games; 5-1-0 2.34 GAA and .924 SV% in AHL) makes his season debut today vs Senators after dominating the AHL for 2+ seasons. Vladar didn't blow the doors off last night vs Leafs (but wasn't horrible); if Wolf shows up he might force the Flames to put Vladar on waivers to the AHL or a low cost trade.

Injured Starters
Carolina
In what is the most uncertain situations, Freddy's blood-clot issues (and injury history) has the Canes in a tough spot. Raanta is a serviceable 1B/backup goalie on a contender but I don't think they can rely on him as the main starter for more than a small stretch. Kochetkov is doing great in the AHL but has struggled in his NHL spot-duty time this season.
Pittsburgh
Jarry is back today from eye swelling suffered in that freak incident that saw him take a direct shot to the face with his mask loose. Penguins get 6 days off until their next game and Nedeljkovic can return for the back half of the B2B on 11/19. Hellberg probably remains in Pitt until then.
Tampa Bay
Vasilevskiy appears on track to return "before end of November"; the Lightning schedule doesn't have a B2B until 11/27-28 so I'm sure Johansson can hold the fort until then.

Trade Market
Buyers
Toronto
Woll played OK against Flames but Samsonov gets the B2B game vs Vancouver as they continue to split starts. They get a 5 day break in action. With other trade rumors flying moving Samsonov's contract and performance might be the way out. Few goalies in "starter" tier come in under his cap however: Blackwood (SJ) is one; Fleury, Reimer, and Driedger are others.
Edmonton
Skinner has the job for now see if he can step up; everyone is watching to see what Edmonton does (if anything) to address overall team issues defense/goaltending included. The cap crunch with Campbell's contract causes constraints to correct the chaos. I've heard the Oilers want someone to platoon with Skinner as a veteran "mentor" but if they also want to fix their defense they'll need a cheap contract goalie or a major piece is moving out.
Columbus
Merzlikins/Martin continue to platoon while Tarasov remains injured; but Elvis is underperforming and really looks like he needs a change of scenery (understandable). They have cap space and elite prospects to move if needed (Kent Johnson); suppose it depends on if they think they are in contention mode now and in the next few seasons.
Ottawa
Forsberg has used up his past goodwill and is struggling this season in what was expected to be a 1A/1B platoon (60/40) if Korpisalo can't carry the load as a full-fledged workhorse then Sogaard might leapfrog Forsberg or they look to move out Forsberg for a veteran backup. Sens are in last place in their division and if they want to climb the ladder they can't wait as long as the other teams to address issues.
Los Angeles
Talbot has taken the reigns and shown he was worth the gamble on him (not so much $, but the opportunity); however Copley is what he is and that is not a 1B goalie on a Stanley Cup contender. While they might outscore his performance in the regular season; the Kings have to be concerned about playoff time with him behind Talbot who is not the most healthy guy in the past. Again the cap leaves little wriggle room here; so I wonder if Portillo gets a shot to see if he can play in the NHL or if they look for someone like Reimer.

Sellers
Detroit
Red Wings continue to showcase Reimer as the 1B, holding Lyon back in reserve. This seems very strategic to pump up Reimer's trade value and his 1.80 GAA , .933 SV% and $1,500,000 contract could be time to sell high on him in the market with teams starting to panic. Edmonton and Detroit have made deals recently; the Oilers are in cap hell while the Wings have space.
Philadelphia and Anaheim
Both of these teams have outperformed expectations; is it "for real" or just an early season hot streak. Both GM's are very committed to their compass and won't be swayed by "false starts"; so we'll see if Carter Hart and/or John Gibson are on the market or not. Both are in a "sell high" mode with their performance so far. Hart ($3,979,000 x 1) 8 games: 4-3-0, 2.52 GAA, and .913 SV%; Gibson ($6,400,000 x 4; M-NTC) 7 games: 2-4-0, 2.41 GAA, and .921 SV%. Anaheim (3 retained salary spots) might be more willing to move Gibson with Dostal showing he can play at the NHL level but Gibson's no trade protection gives him the power; Philly (2 retained salary spots left) would be "tanking" since the rest of their goalies are unproven.
Montreal
Carrying three goalies all with similar performance per game but different levels of experience should give the Habs some flexibility, but little cap space means they can't take back more cap space and they already have 2 retained contract spots used up. Allen ($3,850,000 x 2 and with M-NTC) is tougher to move but has better track record; Montembeault ($1,000,000 x 1) is 27 years old but is only recently been seen as anything more than a backup.

Speculation
I wonder about Minnesota and MA Fleury; since they have Wallstedt in AHL would they move him to a contender for assets (with his blessing of course)?

Are the Devils content with their tandem? Vanecek and Schmid have been underwhelming so far. I'm inclined to give Schmid time to continue developing but this is an elite contender of a roster who needs their goalie to bail them out from time-to-time. The rest of their roster is built really well; but they are running out of cap space to fix the netminder issue.

Saros rumours are going to pick up since he has a great contract for his level of skill ($5,000,000 x 2 years); Preds are in last place of their division; and they have a "goalie of the future" on the doorstep. Imagine if Preds-Oilers made a Saros for Draisatl blockbuster? Edmonton would have cap space to add another defender too (maybe even from the Preds who have 4 RHD with NHL experience). Predators have enough cap space to pursue another NHL goalie after that if they wanted to.

Avs are waiting out the Francouz injury but even when he returns there is going to have to be a lot of faith placed in his continue health and availability for what is expected to be a deep playoff run. That contract ($2 million) seemed good at the time but now it is difficult to support for an oft-injured backup.

OTHERS
AHL guys
Prospects (on ELC)
Yaroslav Askarov (NSH) 5 games: 3-2-0 record, 1.60 GAA and .935 SV%
Pyotr Kochetkov (CAR) 3 games: 3-0-0 record, 1.63 GAA and .932 SV%, 1 shutout - NHL: 3 games: 0-3-0, 4.33 GAA and .836 SV%
Joel Blomqvist (PIT) 7 games: 4-2-0 record, 1.91 GAA and .920 SV%
Dylan Garand (NYR) 6 games: 4-1-1 record, 2.19 GAA and .931 SV%, 1 shutout
Drew Commesso (CHI) 5 games: 3-2-0 record, 2.22 GAA and .919 SV%, 1 shutout
Jesper Wallstedt (MIN) 7 games: 5-2-0 record, 2.30 GAA and .924 SV%, 1 shutout
Mads Sogaard (OTT) 8 games: 4-3-0 record, 2.35 GAA and .923 SV%, 1 shutout
Justus Annunen (COL) 8 games: 4-1-3 record, 2.59 GAA and .902 SV%
Erik Portillo (LA) 4 games: 3-1-0 record, 2.76 GAA and .904 SV%
Brandon Bussi (BOS) 7 games: 3-2-2 record, 2.84 GAA and .908 SV%
Vadim Zherenko (STL) 7 games: 4-2-0 record, 3.00 GAA and .916 SV%
Arturs Silovs (VAN) 8 games: 5-1-1 record, 3.02 GAA and .896 SV%, 1 shutout
Sebastian Cossa (DET) 5 games: 1-2-2 record, 3.22 GAA and .899 SV%

NHL radar/buried contracts
Seattle - Chris Driedger ($3,500,000 x 1 year) in 7 games has a 4-2-0 record with 1.73 GAA and .936 SV% and 1 shutout
Florida - Spencer Knight ($4,500,000 x 3 years) in 6 games has a 4-2-0 record with 2.36 GAA and .913 SV% and 1 shutout
Philadelphia - Cal Petersen ($5,000,000 x 2 years) in 4 games has a 1-3-0 record with 3.76 GAA and .884 SV%; and 1 game in NHL (vs LA Kings) with 5.00 GAA and .833 SV%.
Edmonton - Jack Campbell ($5,000,000 x 4 years) in 1 game has a 0-1-0 record with 4.00 GAA and .800 SV%; and 5 games in NHL with 1-4-0 record and 4.50 GAA and .873 SV%
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Nov. 11, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Want to see a Draisaitl trade so bad.

would shake NHL, Also give EDM a great oppurtunity too figure out their cap add depth/Picks, and potentially come of this draft with a great player.

he has a 10 team trade list. Have to assume the list includes mostly good big market teams.

I personally have a very easy time seeing Draisaitl in a NYR jersey


Idk whats worse the Drai and McDavid proposals

or

The Zadorov trade proposals


Like when did a 3rd pair Dman become worth a 1st plus
Nov. 11, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Like when did a 3rd pair Dman become worth a 1st plus


Ben Chiariot broke CF ACGMS
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Nov. 11, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Ben Chiariot broke CF ACGMS


People dont realize that time's long gone lul

Like if we look last year 2 rental Dman went for 1sts

Gavrikov and Orlov

Both those guys are way better than Zadorov whose 3rd pair in CGY. Least Chiarot was 1st or 2nd pair in MTL when he was moved.

Last TDL every comparable rental Dman went for a 3rd and a 5th

Ghost
Schenn
Edmunson
Severson
Kulikov

Most I could see a team maybe spend is a 2nd if CGY retains 50% but I personally think Edmunson trade is the best comparable
Nov. 11, 2023 at 4:59 p.m.
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Lehkonen is out weeks for the Avs. We really need one or both of Tatar/Drouin to step up in his absence. Tufte will probably stick on the NHL club top 9 as well; could be a darkhorse to get more time if he steps up.
Nov. 11, 2023 at 5:08 p.m.
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The only way I could see Zadorov get a 1st is if FLA is involved or they package him off with Tanev or one of Dube, Mangiapane, or Lindholm and there is retention involved

Based on last year

Comparable rn slightly more than what Edmunson got

Hes a 3rd pair guy on all competitive teams

Of the 3 teams involved kind of surprised with Van as they need a RD more than a LD and hes not a RD. So basically Tanev going back is the fit

NJ I guess hes better than Bahl but to me Hanafin makes more sense for them.

Toronto it just makes to much sense rn. Gio is 40 and while hes been good go get someone who can allow him to rest or heck be good depth lul
Nov. 11, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
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Apparently Pettersson went into Tocchet’s office and apologized for his poor play. Pettersson leads the NHL in points. (He’s also partially injured)

PDO: Pettersson Drives Offense
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