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Bidding for Petey

Created by: BeautifulIdiot
Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 10, 2023
Published: Oct. 10, 2023
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So you want a top 5 (CMD, NM, LD, AM, EP40/JH) centre in the league? You are going to have to pay, like a lot. If he were traded, he would be one of the top players traded within the last 30 years. He’s going to be in the running for the Hart and Selke this year, if you want him you will have to pay and your good young players are at the top of the list.
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            22$83,500,000$83,471,667$850,000$850,000$28,333
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            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:32 p.m.
            #26
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            Quoting: MoSeider53
            The Sharks prospect pool is extremely shallow right now.

            If Petey isn't happy in Vancouver, he's not going to be happy in Columbus, Montreal and San Jose.


            Sharks prospect pool is not weak!
            Yes we’re still a few years from turning things around but the prospect pool is right around top 10 right now. And by the start of 25/26 should be top 5.
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            I dont think that you can say that for sure, I would argue the supporting cast role again but if you dont agree with that I would say that Petey is better defensively. Petey was injured his age 22 year and he was also in a pandemic, so I think that it is not out of the question to ask why he wasn’t lighting it up. I think that the best thing to go off of will be coming up this year. Hughes was feasting on the PP this year, and didnt show up on the PK score sheet where Petey scored less on the power play, showing that he has more to give, and scored on the PK.


            Pettersson had an extra 60 minutes on the power play.

            307 minutes to just 246 for Hughes. Hughes has more to give on the PP if they start calling penalties (unfortunately since the devils commit very few penalties and were winning often, they won't draw many PPs due to ref's game management)
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            Canucks can elect ARB and deal, same thing happened with Tkachuck


            And that trade was a disaster for calgary
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
            #29
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            Doesn’t do it, you want the top centre, you have to trade your top centre prospect. Fantilli has to be a piece of the trade, this will bring down the amount of stuff you have to add but he has to be in it


            If its Fantilli its 1 for 1 lol
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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            Sharks are in no position to be bidding for a guy like him.
            It would stunt/ deplete our growing prospect pool and ability to build it up for years. The likely cost would be Smith plus the 24 1st and 25 1st , poi’s my even more to get him and that leaves the sharks with limited ability to build around him. This is just not the right time for them to
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:50 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            I dont think that you can say that for sure, I would argue the supporting cast role again but if you dont agree with that I would say that Petey is better defensively. Petey was injured his age 22 year and he was also in a pandemic, so I think that it is not out of the question to ask why he wasn’t lighting it up. I think that the best thing to go off of will be coming up this year. Hughes was feasting on the PP this year, and didnt show up on the PK score sheet where Petey scored less on the power play, showing that he has more to give, and scored on the PK.


            I say this with as much respect as possible, but you're homer-menatlity is blocking your vision. I really don't know how to say that a nicer way lol.

            If you open the supporting cast discussion, then...

            Is McDavid really not going to be that good on a team without Draisaitl?
            Is Sid really not going to do what he does if he doesn't have Jake?

            You get my point. It's a poor argument to make. The only real context a supporting cast can be useful for is for players who are in supporting roles/complimentary players, and goalies. Players at the level of Brayden Point? No way. Also, while VAN hasn't been a great team, it's not like Pettersson has been playing with a bunch of nobodies lol. He's had has some really great talent surrounding him.

            Hughes is a better player than Pettersson and while it's not a huge gap right now, the gap will continue to grow as it has the last few years. Honestly, I'd say 95% of the people who would make an argument that Pettersson is better than Hughes are VAN fans.
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            Oct. 10, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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            Not sure why Devils would be on this list. We have two good young centers for our top six.

            Columbus, Detroit would where I'd target
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            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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            Columbus can easily outbid just about anyone even with Fantilli and Jiricek off the table. Don't be greedy.

            That said, can't see either side making the move.
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            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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            Quoting: cbjthrowaway
            lmao. you can set the bar as high as you want, but no one is going to meet that type of ask. if you insist on fantilli, you're eliminating the bidder that has arguably the deepest bag of assets.

            at some point you have to take the best offer on the table. otherwise you're gonna be left holding the bag when petey hits UFA. good luck.


            Very fair point, but holding fast to your price is more important than selling the player at all. I believe that it was Brian Burke who said that he was asking for a 1st for a player and people would only ever offer a 2nd, and he didnt sell because he didnt want to be known as one who would bend at the pressure of time. Canucks would still probably be able to get a fair amount but trading a cornerstone centre requires another one coming back
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.
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            Quoting: TyeZerker
            Devil wont be in on petey. They have other mouths to feed.


            Fair enough, have a nice day
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.
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            Quoting: SmoothMcCrimmonal
            I'll give you everything


            Well well well, lets see what you can offer
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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            Quoting: dgibb10
            Top 8 C imo with 1 year of control.

            Assuming a 7x10 extension I'd pay about 32 mill in surplus value for pettersson worth about 13.5 mill

            So 1st, Holtz, Mercer would be it.

            1st=6 mill (monahan price)
            Holtz=10 mill. (4 mill player at 1 mill the next 2 years+an RFA bridge of 1 mill surplus value the next 4)
            mercer=16 mill (7 mill player at 1 mill this year and a RFA bridge of 2 mill surplus value the next 4)

            Mercer might be higher, Holtz lower but overall works out


            Doesn’t quite work like that, I see what youre trying to get at, but that 13.5 number is so volatile and the other numbers are subjective. I disagree with your holts and Mercer valuations and they aren’t the players that the Canucks need. So for that reason, youre out
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:28 p.m.
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            Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
            And that trade was a disaster for calgary


            Asset selection was the problem in that situation, he had good offers from other places that he could have gotten
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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            Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
            I say this with as much respect as possible, but you're homer-menatlity is blocking your vision. I really don't know how to say that a nicer way lol.

            If you open the supporting cast discussion, then...

            Is McDavid really not going to be that good on a team without Draisaitl?
            Is Sid really not going to do what he does if he doesn't have Jake?

            You get my point. It's a poor argument to make. The only real context a supporting cast can be useful for is for players who are in supporting roles/complimentary players, and goalies. Players at the level of Brayden Point? No way. Also, while VAN hasn't been a great team, it's not like Pettersson has been playing with a bunch of nobodies lol. He's had has some really great talent surrounding him.

            Hughes is a better player than Pettersson and while it's not a huge gap right now, the gap will continue to grow as it has the last few years. Honestly, I'd say 95% of the people who would make an argument that Pettersson is better than Hughes are VAN fans.


            I have heard both sides, but I do see what you mean, but there is also an eastern bias, I have a Vancouver bias, I am a homer, but I would straight up rather have Petey than Hughes.

            Canucks have some good players, but look at the quality and quantity. Anyways, we will see this year, I could be completely wrong, but you could be too
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:36 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            Doesn’t quite work like that, I see what youre trying to get at, but that 13.5 number is so volatile and the other numbers are subjective. I disagree with your holts and Mercer valuations and they aren’t the players that the Canucks need. So for that reason, youre out


            13.5 is what I see the market value being on a high 30s scoring, high 80s points, elite defensive C.

            I'm not paying more surplus value than that.

            Realistically in value this is mercer+ more than the meier trade, which is reasonable in my opinion

            Shakir=Cap dumps +retention in that trade

            holtz=1st+
            1st=1st here
            Mercer is here on top.

            This is also a fair bit more than the Eichel deal imo
            Holt+3rd (that vegas got back)>Krebs+2nd
            1st vs 1st
            Mercer >>>> Tuch

            In real life you aren't getting more than this
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            Asset selection was the problem in that situation, he had good offers from other places that he could have gotten


            But he didn't want to sign elsewhere and with his contract situation, he had the hammer, just like pettersson would in this hypothetical scenario
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            Very fair point, but holding fast to your price is more important than selling the player at all. I believe that it was Brian Burke who said that he was asking for a 1st for a player and people would only ever offer a 2nd, and he didnt sell because he didnt want to be known as one who would bend at the pressure of time. Canucks would still probably be able to get a fair amount but trading a cornerstone centre requires another one coming back


            well hey, passing up a boatload of assets for pettersson and letting him walk to free agency may set the rebuild back by years but at least you can say you stuck to your principles. will definitely make the fans feel better.
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 6:03 p.m.
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            Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
            I have heard both sides, but I do see what you mean, but there is also an eastern bias, I have a Vancouver bias, I am a homer, but I would straight up rather have Petey than Hughes.

            Canucks have some good players, but look at the quality and quantity. Anyways, we will see this year, I could be completely wrong, but you could be too


            I wouldn't say I have any bias at all. The Devil's are a rival lol. I have no horse in either race.

            But yes, I totally could be wrong, but if Hughes surpasses him this year, you can't rest on the supporting cast argument lol
            Oct. 10, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
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            Nothing higher than this

            Suzuki
            Anderson
            Savard
            Farrell
            Barron
            2025 1st (CAL)
            2025 1st (MTL)
            2026 1st (MTL) (top 5 protected)

            for

            Petey
            Garland/Boeser
            Myers

            Any team wanting to acquire Petey will not be giving multiple pieces of their future core for him. You get 1 very good one (Suzuki), some decent prospects and 3 1st rounders. Also about 2m in cap relief
             
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