he had 52 points in 2 seasons, no leverage. if anything it was an overpay at the time
but he didnt shoot at a normal rate lol he shot at 5% which isnt good,

Lol, what does having those guys have to do with Matthews playing as the 1C (1A) and Hughes as the 2C (1B)? And again it's not just the faceoffs, it's also because he's the better defensive player.

Bringing in Matthews at 13.25M over Hischer's 8M, likely means they can't afford to keep Toffoli, so it's replacing Toffoli with a league-min guy. From, the on out, the cap outlook is not going to be much different. Nemec looks good but, if Dougie wasn't injured he wouldn't be playing, so they don't need to replace him per se.

If they are that tight-pressed for money after that, they won't be able to afford Nemec, Luke, and Holtz anyway.

They can take advantage of Nemec's 1-year at 900K or they can just take advantage of L Hughes 1-year at 900K now.

Lol, what does having those guys have to do with Matthews playing as the 1C (1A) and Hughes as the 2C (1B)? And again it's not just the faceoffs, it's also because he's the better defensive player.

Bringing in Matthews at 13.25M over Hischer's 8M, likely means they can't afford to keep Toffoli, so it's replacing Toffoli with a league-min guy. From, the on out, the cap outlook is not going to be much different. Nemec looks good but, if Dougie wasn't injured he wouldn't be playing, so they don't need to replace him per se.

If they are that tight-pressed for money after that, they won't be able to afford Nemec, Luke, and Holtz anyway.

They can take advantage of Nemec's 1-year at 900K or they can just take advantage of L Hughes 1-year at 900K now.

Again:

Team A pays
4x4 with the intention of signing player to a 10x4 after that in order to take advantage of the immediate cap savings now, but more expensive in the later term (this is the leafs not getting full term)
Team B pays
7x8 to take advantage of the later cap savings when the cap goes up

Oh, but the cap doesn't go up.

Team B (not the leafs) now gets EXTRA screwed in the short term bc that extra 3 mill they had to pay is a bigger% of the cap then they thought it would be. Then in the long run that 7 mill is still a higher % of the cap than they thought it would be, so they get screwed again.

Team A, which didn't go for the full term (the leafs) gets screwed somewhat in the short term, but not really because those cap savings they thought they would get are now even MORE meaningful. Then the bridge deal expires, and the cap is much lower than they thought it would be at this point. Now because of this lower cap they only have to pay 9 mill on the new deal, meaning they benefit long term


You got hosed on the contracts yes, and the Tavares contract (which is different as a UFA)
With UFAs you generally underpay in the early years and then overpay as they age
But for young RFAs on long term deals it's the opposite, you overpay as they develop and then underpay as they hit their prime.

So more term=higher AAV

If you would have went full term on Marner, Matthews, Nylander, it would have cost you more in the short term with the expectation of savings in the long term
Then when the cap doesn't go up, you get screwed in the earlier years and don't get the relief in the later years

Covid bailed you out of the lack of term you got on them.

Now, you massively overpaid as if you were getting full term regardless even tho you weren't, but a longer term deal would have been even more affected by the cap stoppage

yeah youre delusional lol

Speaking of dougie let's put it simply.

Toronto needed a PP QB, but Matthews costs 4-5 mill more than Nico, so they could only afford John Klingberg to fill that role.

NJD needed a dman, and since they had Nico at 7 mill, they were able to go bring in dougie hamilton at 9 mill.

if the cap was going up like it was supposed to they would be able to afford a better d than klingberg, but it didnt, because of covid, therefore the leafs got screwed, thanks for proving me right

Again:

Team A pays
4x4 with the intention of signing player to a 10x4 after that in order to take advantage of the immediate cap savings now, but more expensive in the later term (this is the leafs not getting full term)
Team B pays
7x8 to take advantage of the later cap savings when the cap goes up

Oh, but the cap doesn't go up.

Team B (not the leafs) now gets EXTRA screwed in the short term bc that extra 3 mill they had to pay is a bigger% of the cap then they thought it would be. Then in the long run that 7 mill is still a higher % of the cap than they thought it would be, so they get screwed again.

Team A, which didn't go for the full term (the leafs) gets screwed somewhat in the short term, but not really because those cap savings they thought they would get are now even MORE meaningful. Then the bridge deal expires, and the cap is much lower than they thought it would be at this point. Now because of this lower cap they only have to pay 9 mill on the new deal, meaning they benefit long term


You got hosed on the contracts yes, and the Tavares contract (which is different as a UFA)
With UFAs you generally underpay in the early years and then overpay as they age
But for young RFAs on long term deals it's the opposite, you overpay as they develop and then underpay as they hit their prime.

So more term=higher AAV

If you would have went full term on Marner, Matthews, Nylander, it would have cost you more in the short term with the expectation of savings in the long term
Then when the cap doesn't go up, you get screwed in the earlier years and don't get the relief in the later years

Covid bailed you out of the lack of term you got on them.

Now, you massively overpaid as if you were getting full term regardless even tho you weren't, but a longer term deal would have been even more affected by the cap stoppage

Now imagine how much more you would have been screwed over the last few years+this year and next year if your contracts were.

11.75x8 on marner
13x8 on matthews
8.25x8 on Nylander

Marner was the last to sign in sept 2019, so that means in the 2020-21 season, 2021-22 season, and 2022-23 season, the percentage of the cap that the core 4 were talking would have been less which means they have more money to spend elsewhere, Rielly probably would have gotten more but at the end of the day, Covid did not help them. Having more money, could have possibly meant that they could have signed Pietrangelo instead of Brodie, or just in general different players would have been available to them. The entire league would be able to spend more too, and maybe certain players would cost more, specifically goalies since before Covid their prices were shooting up.

Since the cap would be higher Matthews would want more money but that doesn't mean he takes a higher cap %, so he gets 14.5M or whatever but probably on an 8-year deal since there wouldn't be an expected jump in cap coming in 2 to 3 years. After his 13.25M deal, who knows how much Matthews will want?

They all signed before Covid.

Yes. And if you had signed them to full length deals the price would have been higher due to buying 2 more years of their prime, and the cap increase expected.

And then when the unexpected covid hit, you would have gotten significantly MORE screwed.

They all signed before Covid.

But Dubas didn't, so how does it make it that Covid saved them?

Matthews gives up 2.75xGoals/60 over the last 2 years 5v5
Jack gives up just 2.56xGoals/60 over the last 2 years 5v5.
Nico is of course the best defensively giving up just 2.41xGoals/60 at 5v5 over the last 2 years

Or we could take advantage of both 3 years of ELC nemec we still have and 2 years of ELC Luke.

NJD can fit them all fine as long as there isn't an extra 5 mill of cap from Matthews. Especially if we choose to let Nemec slide another year.

Nemec is playing because there is now a space for him to get meaningful minutes yes.

We decided 22 minutes a night in Utica is better for development than 15 minutes a night in NJD, and that the gap in play in those 15 minutes between Nemec vs Miller wasn't worth burning an ELC year. Now that there are minutes available, It's better for nemec to get them in the big show.

At the end of the day though, instead of signing Toffoli to 5M or whatever it would cost to retain him, they could bring in Matthews and a bottom-6 guy. The cap situation would be similar, the only thing is that NJ is probably going to rely on Toffoli's cap hit to come off the books sooner rather than later which would help them sign other guys.

Nemec is more than likely not going to be a huge impact in helping NJ win the cup next year. It's possible but unless that happens then that year of Hughes' ELC will be gone.

Being patient and playing it safe is an easier option and could lead to a better team for longer but that doesn't mean that going for it now in a big move like this wouldn't be possible to manage in terms of cap space. The concerning part would be retaining Matthews (or not) and how that would affect their chances. At the end of the day though, it could be an option assuming that the trade was available.

At the end of the day though, instead of signing Toffoli to 5M or whatever it would cost to retain him, they could bring in Matthews and a bottom-6 guy. The cap situation would be similar, the only thing is that NJ is probably going to rely on Toffoli's cap hit to come off the books sooner rather than later which would help them sign other guys.

Nemec is more than likely not going to be a huge impact in helping NJ win the cup next year. It's possible but unless that happens then that year of Hughes' ELC will be gone.

Being patient and playing it safe is an easier option and could lead to a better team for longer but that doesn't mean that going for it now in a big move like this wouldn't be possible to manage in terms of cap space. The concerning part would be retaining Matthews (or not) and how that would affect their chances. At the end of the day though, it could be an option assuming that the trade was available.

Or instead of thinking of the leafs (because just how hard they got bent over in negotiations makes it difficult to see) we look at some other deals.

How much of an advantage did covid provide the bruins on the pastrnak deal?? 6.6x6 and then they're able to get him for just 11.25 on the new deal bc the cap isn't as high and nobody else can afford him.
And the McAvoy deal. Able to get that bridge sub 5 mill and then a lower price of only 9.5 on the new deal bc of covid

Or the Rantanen deal for Colorado.

Because every other team who paid more AAV to go full term got screwed more.

Imagine the oilers the last 5 years with Draisaitl at 6x6, McDavid at 11x6.

Go ahead, put matthews on NJD, take nemec/nico off.

I challenge you to make a roster better than this under the cap next year (and keep in mind I went and got TERM on the signings of Mercer, Schmid, and Mcleod)

Hughes-Haula-Mercer
Nico-Palat-Bratt (has been arguably the best line in hockey btw)
Mcleod-Meier-Holtz
Lazar-Foote-Bastian
Siegs-Hamilton
Marcus Pettersson-Marino
Hughes-Nemec
Schmid
Vanacek
Seeler
Cousins
Clarke

Not a leafs fan but is Hischier even half the player Matthews is? I mean like I feel like these are such downgrades lol

Hischier was 2nd in Selke voting and PPG last year he is definitely at least half the player Matthews is

Idk we are talking about a player who has also had Selke votes who has won the Ted Lindsay, the hart, the rocket Richard, and really has the potential to put up 75 goals in the NHL. Matthews is a generational talent

with that being said I was probably harsh saying Hichier isn't half the player is, but Matthews is just simply not in the same category as him

It's like comparing Bergeron to Ovi but both are worse