Penguins decline - Kyle Dubas is not getting rid of Jake Guentzel.
Buffalo should keep Jordan Greenway, and they don’t need Danila Klimovich.
Why would Vancouver need Denis Gurianov?

This.

Plus, Kuzmenko at this point would be considered a dump/reclamation project, so you'd get taxed on this. Yes, I know VAN fans keep arguing his potential, but if he really has that much potential you should be keeping him. That 5th would have to become a 2nd. You can remove that nobody prospect.

Sabres decline

I like the prospects over the 2nd but the deal still needs a headliner prospect.

I don't mean this as a dig to VAN fans, but they don't really have many headliner prospects. Podkolzin is probably one of their top ones. I'd prefer Hoglander if that would work. I'd really do Hoglander + 1st and call it a day. Let them ship off Kuzmenko to another team to make space.

NSH accepts.

Canucks should have no interest in Greenway. He costs too much for what he brings. If the Canucks are going for size and grit, there are guys closer to league minimum they can get who can bring physicality.

I understand your opinion. I think if the Pens can get > a first and B+ level prospect, they should take it. BTW, I wouldn't include Hoglander, Pod, Lekkerimaki, Willander, or Ratu.

Sabres are pretty unlikely to trade Greenway
Your local guy who reported these rumors should recheck his sources- or maybe get better ones?

That isn't a bad proposal honestly. Curious that you'd prefer that because I would say OP has significantly more value. It's difficult to assess other teams prospects though I get that.

Wallander and Lekkerimäki are top 50 prospects. One of those two would need to be included.

Then it would be unlikely you'd have a compelling enough deal to get Guentzel if he were to become available. Jake easily gets a 1st + top prospect. Lesser rentals have received that much. It just comes down to which team it makes the most sense for. I said this in another thread, but I don't think VAN should be hunting for a top-six player.

The issue here is Kuz. He has negative value and one more year on his contract and there would be tax for that. In this deal he's simply a way to make this financially fit for VAN, so to me either change that 5th to a 2nd, or remove Kiril and add a better prospect.

As I stated, Jake for a 1st + top prospect is probably enough to get a deal done with most teams, so it's Kuz that changes the dynamic of this.

I didn't say that had none, just not many lol and yes, it has to be a significant prospect. I know VAN fans want to be able to give up nothing of consequence to add a 40G scorer, but if Jake does become available, that's the cost.

That said, I'd do a 1st + Hoglander. Pod is a decent, but we'd need a little more if he's the prospect.

I agree that Guentzel gets a first and a prospect. Can you give me an example of that type of trade (top prospect + 1st) for a rental winger? Not questioning whether you’re right, just curious as to your definition of a top prospect.

Jake easily gets a 1st + top prospect. Lesser rentals have received that much.

A 1st + Hoglander and nothing else?

That seems incredibly light, if so.

Wallander or Lekkerimäki

Giroux traded to FLA saw Owen Tippet, a 1st and a 3rd go to PHI. I think that's probably the best comparable.

The Janneaot trade to Tampa had Cal Foote getting moved not to mention a 1st, 4th and 5th.

The Timo Meier trade saw SJ get Shakir Mukhamadulllin

Lehkonen had Justin Barron go to MTL

Barbashev was traded for Zach Dean

These are just a few I found really quick, but also remember that it's not very common for forwards of Guentzel's level to get moved.

A young promising NHL forward with pedigree and a 1st? I think that's pretty fair. If it's Podkolzin, then more needs to be added.

Thanks for that. I think the prospects weren’t top prospects. Tippett had lost some lustre by the trade. Some good ones, but not A level.

I think you're saying that because you're not familiar with them. These are all former first round picks all within a couple of a years of their draft years and Tippett was a highly touted prospect.

I'd say that Hoglander nor Pod are any higher than those prospects were at the time. Tippett was certainly a higher pedigree than either of them.

Fair. And the Canucks I think rightfully value Kuzmenko. We wouldn't give him away, let alone pay to give him away.

Both Tippett and Pod were drafted 10th overall. I think they’re quite comparable. When Tippett was traded, his value had come off considerably since he had not established himself in the NHL despite lots of chances. Very similar to Pod. My point isn’t that Vancouver’s prospects are better. It’s that the trade value for the rentals weren’t premium prospects. If Vancouver offered a first and Pod, that would be comparable value