You would need to add significantly to the Pens and NJ trades

I mean, Anaheim would prefer a 2024 1st over a 2025but I guess donthave together too stingy here

I can see Adam Henrique playing for a Stanley Cup contending team, but not Vancouver.
Penguins aren’t trading Guentzel.

The Penguins trade meets the criteria reportedly being asked by Pittsburgh. A 1st (check) + a U25 NHL ready forward (Podkolzin) + blue chip prospect (Brz.) + a 4th for some reason. I don't think Vancouver goes this route because they'd rather get a centre for this price.

Van should keep who they have great chemistry shouldn't mortgage the future

All these deals are fair value, the question is "Will it win the Canucks a Stanley Cup?". If they can't honestly look at this and say that it makes them the absolute favourite to hoist Lord Stanley, then don't do it. It's a dangerous game mortgaging the future for rentals - You listening Leafs fans???? Cough cough cough Ryan O'Reilly cough Erik Gustafsson cough cough Jake Muzzin cough cough Luke Schenn cough cough a WHOLE BUNCH of quality draft picks...

It doesn't meet the criteria, because there isn't criteria, because Dubas said they're not trading Jake.

Move along.

The trade deadline can't come soon enough so we can see no more Jake trades.

Gotta be honest: as the Anaheim GM, I would accept the first and the fourth or the first and Kuzmenko, whichever you'd prefer/offer.

Brzuterwicz is not a blue chip prospect. He is a 3rd round pick that appears on no lists of prospects for a team with the 22nd ranked farm system.

Wallander or Lekkeriamaki

These trades are not fair value.

Guentzel is worth more than a low 1st, a B prospect and some guy I've never heard of or seen on any list of notable prospects.

Edit: As Wes has pointed out, Brzuterwicz is a prospect of note. I think the Pens would ask for a better prospect but they would definitely ask for a top 6 guy as well.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Brzustewicz is ranked 55th among all prospects right now. He's ranked 36 spots ahead of Pittsburgh's Owen Pickering and would immediately become the Penguins' best prospect.

Doesn't matter anyway, as @pens1991 pointed out, Dubas doesn't want to trade Guentzel.

I stand mistaken. He is on the list. If the Pens were trading Guentzel, it would have to be for a prospect that would be the best on the Pens. Brzuterwicz is ranked 55, Yager is 46. Wallander or Lekkerimaki

Haha, nice moving the goalposts lmao.

I added the 4th just for the retention but a 1st plus Kuzmenko for a 50% retained Henrique would be a good deal I think

Bru is leading the OHL in scoring. He is a D+1 RHD. He’s already at NHL size at 6’ 188 pounds.

Willander and lekkerimaki are, of course, off the table. Pit won’t be able to get a prospect of that caliber for guentzel

I think the forgotten is, IF Guentzel hits the market at the deadline the bidding war increases the price. There are multiple teams who will bid for him. Penguins would want to replace him with a player I think Hoglander or Kuzmenko fit that bill, a prospect, and a 1st. I think they wouldn't be opposed to a prospect and an additional prospect equivalent to a 1st. This would only be true if someone like Vancouver wanted to trade for Guentzel and keep their 1st.

How did I move the goalposts? I said they wanted a systems top guy (or close to it). I admitted that I missed Brzuterwicz on the list. But he would be a nice piece (maybe replacing a 1st) but he would not be THE piece.

Calm down there Blade.

If the best prospects in a system are off the table, Van would likely lose a bidding war for (again) one of the best forwards in the NHL.

I can see Brzuterwicz replacing a 1st but not the headlining prospect.

To get you have to give.

I think you’re overestimating what a rental winger is worth tbh.

When was the last time a rental was dealt at the deadline and the prospect included was better than brzustewicz?

Player A:
On pace for 35 goals and 76 points at the deadline
29 years old. 6MM per. Rental. (Sound familiar)

Got traded for two middle 6 forwards with the following stats:
Player X: on pace for 14 goals and 36 points
Player Y: on pace for 15 goals and 33 points

And a 1st

And a propsect ranked in the top 30 in the NHL (and the best prospect in that teams system)

Now, looking at Guentzel:
29, 6MM per, on pace for 38 goals and 90 points, a rental. Very similar.

Now, to your point, player A is Marian Hossa so that was 15 years ago. My point, players of that calibre are not traded very often.

Guentzel is the top LW on basically every team in the NHL. That costs.

So Guentzel would have to be traded for a X + Y + Z
X being a player (or two) of NHL calibre.
Y being a 1st (or prospect equivalent)
Z being a blue chip prospect. Think someone in the top 30 of the NHL.

Can you give me an example of any forwards of Guentzels skill being traded at the deadline?

We really going back 15 years to talk about hossa? 1 year removed from a 100 point season?

Even if we want to say guentzel has 2008 hossa value (he doesn’t) then that trade is a very close in value to this one.

Armstrong and Podkolzin are comparable. Former first rounder with middle 6 ability (Podkolzin younger and cheaper though)

Dubois and Christensen basically cancel each other out in that trade. We could add a couple forwards on each side of this trade if you want but that seems silly to me. (Kuzmenko/smith, for example)

Finally, Esposito (the prospect in question) was in his D+1 season scoring at a comparable pace to his draft year and was nowhere near the top of QMJHL scoring. Brzustewicz is in his D+1 year, has shown marked improvement, and is Leading the OHL in scoring.

Basically you’re just confirming that the above posted trade is fair

Again, Brzuterwicz is ranked 55ish in the prospect rankings. Esposito was ranked 30ish, right around Wallander (ranked 40).

As for your assessment, no, Christiansen had much more value than Dupuis. Dupuis was on track for 13 goals and 20 points as a 3rd line winger. Christiansen was on pace for more goals, more points, was 4 years younger and a center.

A fair comparison would be Hoglander + Podkolzon + 1st (or Brzuterwicz) + Wallander or Lekkerimaki

For

Guentzel + Retention (or a bottom 6 NHL guy like Accairi)

But, again I ask, when was the last time a guy like Guentzel was traded at the deadline?

That's not what you said. You said "Brzuterwicz is not a blue chip prospect." when the rumored ask was a 1st + blue-chip prospect + U25 roster player.

I proved that Brzuterwicz is, in fact, a blue-chip prospect and would be the best defensive prospect on the Pens. Only now are you claiming that the Penguins want a "systems top guy," which again, Brzuterwicz would be anyway as he's ranked higher than your best defensive prospect Pickering.

I said he wasn't ranked. You corrected me. I acknowledged that.

I consider a prospect in the top 5 at their position to be "blue chip" or "can't miss".

Wallander is ranked 5th in RD
Brzuterwicz is ranked 6th in RD
Lekkerimaki is ranked 3rd in RW

Some places have Wallander rated higher and Lekkerimaki rated lower. Both are consistently in the Canucks top 5. Brzustewicz is rated as high as their 3rd best prospect and as low as outside of their top 10.

Based on that, he doesn't sound like a "can't miss" guy to me.

So no, I haven't moved goal posts. He is a good prospect but not an A prospect. Now, sometimes a C prospect can be a great player and sometimes an A prospect can flame out.

So, I'm not saying he isn't going to be a good player (I dont know), but he isn't a blue chip prospect if different sources rate him in vastly different areas.