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Created by: pmorin21
Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 23, 2024
Published: Jan. 23, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Beck, Owen
  3. Kovacevic, Johnathan
  4. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
2.
MTL
  1. 2025 4th round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Armia, Joel ($1,250,000 retained)
3.
MTL
  1. 2026 4th round pick (CHI)
4.
MTL
  1. Pelletier, Jakob
Additional Details:
Minor trade
CGY
  1. Primeau, Cayden
Additional Details:
Minor trade
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
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2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
20$83,500,000$72,708,749$1,170,000$3,992,500$10,791,251
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 4
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$835,000$835,000 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, RW
RFA - 3
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$1,985,000$1,985,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3

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Jan. 23 at 9:52 a.m.
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Oilers don’t need Armia, they got Perry for free. They’re currently dollar in dollar out and would be better off upgrading elsewhere.
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Jan. 23 at 9:53 a.m.
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That's really really bad for the Flames.

They have arguably the best goalie prospect in the league and Pelletier is one of their top.prospects. Primeau does little to nothing for the flames.
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Jan. 23 at 9:53 a.m.
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Chicago isn't giving up picks for Dvorak
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Jan. 23 at 9:57 a.m.
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Thats an awful deal we have no need for Primeau with Wolf in the pipeline and Pelletier has good potential to be a top 6 winger
Jan. 23 at 10:18 a.m.
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Fall River Habs
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I would not want Rielly in Montreal. He is the same age as Matheson, they have similar offensive abilities and Rielly adds $2.5M to the cap more than Matheson does.

The package of players to Toronto is too much to trade for Rielly, especially when he is not needed and probably does not fit the age range for the rebuilding process.
Jan. 23 at 10:20 a.m.
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Reilly ain’t waiving the value is fair but he isn’t waiving
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Jan. 23 at 10:34 a.m.
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I will give you a list of MTL players that are cap dumps and will cost something to move:
Dvorak
Anderson
Gallagher
Armia

Asking for a return on these players is gonna be a very hard ask, and any GM that actually pays for them is likely a fool.
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Jan. 23 at 12:10 p.m.
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Quoting: Garak
I will give you a list of MTL players that are cap dumps and will cost something to move:
Dvorak
Anderson
Gallagher
Armia

Asking for a return on these players is gonna be a very hard ask, and any GM that actually pays for them is likely a fool.


First off, Armia wont be retained, they have 1 retention spot left, the opportunity cost alone is worth more than a 4th, the tiniest amount of research would have shown you as well as the cap hit of the retention is more than the buy out at 800k and then 1.2M AAV the next two years. He will be bought out at worse.

Secondly. calling Anderson a cap dump is non sensical irrational hate without any context. Why even bring him up? He's not in this ACGM..The Hawks have as many players as MTL that you could consider a cap dump with recent signings including Jason Dickinson. I wonder why he's not a cap dump in your eyes, maybe because the cost is relative to the team's flexibility but that would mean you need to take off your homer blinders.

Thirdly, every single person knows Gallagher has a bad contract, a truly awful one same as Brent Seabrook back in the day. Neither Seabrook or Gallagher are relative to this ACGM. Deal with it!

Lastly, Dvorak isnt a cap dump as a faceoff specialist with a year of term left at 4.45M, little worth, maybe but by all means continue whining about Mrazek needing a 3rd round pick instead of a 4th as if that will change the fortunes of a toxic mess of an organization.
Jan. 23 at 12:31 p.m.
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Dr_Invictus
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Calgary isn't trading Pelletier for another Goaltender prospect. Hard pass
Jan. 23 at 1:31 p.m.
#10
Snowhawk
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General rule of thumb to go by; if a player is overpaid, underperforming and 90% of his current team’s fan base has included him in trade proposals, don’t bother asking for anything in return… as a matter of fact you should expect to pay to get rid of the contract.

Hawks decline.
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Jan. 23 at 2:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
First off, Armia wont be retained, they have 1 retention spot left, the opportunity cost alone is worth more than a 4th, the tiniest amount of research would have shown you as well as the cap hit of the retention is more than the buy out at 800k and then 1.2M AAV the next two years. He will be bought out at worse.

Secondly. calling Anderson a cap dump is non sensical irrational hate without any context. Why even bring him up? He's not in this ACGM..The Hawks have as many players as MTL that you could consider a cap dump with recent signings including Jason Dickinson. I wonder why he's not a cap dump in your eyes, maybe because the cost is relative to the team's flexibility but that would mean you need to take off your homer blinders.

Thirdly, every single person knows Gallagher has a bad contract, a truly awful one same as Brent Seabrook back in the day. Neither Seabrook or Gallagher are relative to this ACGM. Deal with it!

Lastly, Dvorak isnt a cap dump as a faceoff specialist with a year of term left at 4.45M, little worth, maybe but by all means continue whining about Mrazek needing a 3rd round pick instead of a 4th as if that will change the fortunes of a toxic mess of an organization.


I wish I could have just stopped you before you wasted your time writing all of that. It has nothing to do with hate, I am completely indifferent to MTL. The fact that you think it is hate is kinda funny actually. It is completely related because of how often MTL fans make these head scratcher proposals involving Armia, Anderson, Dvorak, and Gallagher, that are equally as ridiculous. Like... Where are they getting their information from? All four of those players are absolutely cap dump candidates.

They are massively underperforming, heavily in decline, aging players, on VERY expensive contracts with term. Even if MTL wouldn't have to pay to move them, which I completely disagree with, they definitely aren't getting the kind of returns that so many Habs fans have proposed over the last year or so.

Who is going to take on those contracts without retention and/or some very nice pieces coming back? Only a fool would. Who would give up anything significant for any of them? No one. Who even has the cap space to take such a huge gamble? No one besides bottom feeder teams, like CHI, that are going to leverage the heck out of MTL in negotiations, if they are desperate enough to create the cap space. Just like MTL did to CGY in the Monahan dump.
 
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