Not only do you want Holtz, you think you're getting a 1st on top of it.

if you want holtz+1st, the only piece on montreal worth that is Slaf.

Again:
Holtz+3rd for Dach+1st
Holtz for Newhook+2nd
Holtz+3rd for Montembault+Calgary 1st
Holtz for unprotected Montreal 1st+3rd
Holtz+3rd for Matheson+Calgary 1st
Holtz for Matheson (50% retained)
Holtz for Calgary 1st+Colorado 2nd+ Montreal 3rd
Holtz+3rd for Guhle

If not any of those, begone and don't come back.

Dach and Newhook didn't have 2 years of ELC, didn't have anywhere near the 5v5 production of holtz, and yet you paid large prices. Start with either the dach or newhook price, then pay for the 2 years of ELC he has left

NJD would pay a 5th for Xhekaj to play in Utica
3rd for Allen
3rd for Monahan to be a 4C

Value wise Holtz > Monahan
1st > Xhekaj and Allen

Considering where the Devils currently are in the standings, Holtz and their 1st could easily be the 2 best assets in this deal. Monahan is solid, although not sure necessarily a need for the Devils. A mediocre backup and #6/7 level dman aren’t close to making up the value of either their 1st or Holtz

Who tf do you think Holtz is? Hes getting a late 1st and 3rd maybe a 2nd at the very most. Theyre are 4 wingers ahead of him in the lineup. Look at comparable trades. Newhook went for a 1st and 2nd and hes a center on a team that had had a lack of centers. The overpricing done by fans of East Coast teams needs to be studied.

Also the inconsistency of your values is insane. Newhook and a 2nd doesnt equal a top 7 pick and a 3rd. The value for Dach and a 1st is closer to Jack Hughes than it is to Holtz. Go outside, take a walk and come back when you realize that a 3rd line winger with 2nd line potential isnt worth a teams best assets

Monahan really isn't a need. the only real role he fills would be 4C/PK help, and I'd rather have Evans in that role if I'm trading for a habs C.

Monahan is too slow to really fit in the devils system, struggles defensively, and is just overall a terrible fit in jersey

Switch Holtz and 1st to 2 3rds

I keep having to say this but A PLAYERS VALUE SINT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IT IS, ITS WHAT THE MARKET SAYS IT IS.

Monahan is the best center on the market rn so hes a 1st++

Allen is one of the better and cheaper (when retained) on the market with multiple teams looking for one. So hes worth a bit

Xhekaj is a GMs wet dream of a player. Big, Young, Hits and Fights and even has some goal scoring to his game. Chiarot was the same and went for a 1st, Xhekaj is younger and contract is cheaper

Holtz would rank 1st on Montreal in 5v5 scoring.

He's got as much upside and a better current level of play as Dach and Newhook did. But, unlike Newhook and Dach, he still has 2 years of ELC.

All of my trades were off the dome.

Dach+1st for Jack hughes lol. He's a guy with a career high of 19 points 5v5 who just tore his knee into shreds.

The devils having Mercer Toffoli Bratt and Meier doesn't make holtz worse.

Xhekaj isn't even a top 12 defenseman in the Habs system, and yet you claim he's worth a 1st.

Then switch the 1st to Mercer or Nemec

Habs arent gonna give players away. A team is gonna give them a 1st for Monahan and the the equivalent of a 2nd line potential forward for Xhekaj (especially since the rumor is they already have rejected what seems to be Morgan Frost for him)

You're trying to sell Monahan to NJD. on NJD he's a 4C who's bad defensively and below average on the kill. We'd pay a 3rd for his services for 1 year

Lmao more Habs fake rumours.

Yes the Habs are ass 5v5 and the Holtz play vs 3rd line opposition. You think Holtz shows up and leads the team in points playing in the top 6. Nowhere close. Having those wingers limits his playing time. With leads to not progressing which is like regressing for a 21 year old. Devils are wasting him. And the rumour is with Xhekaj that teams are offering young wingers with 2nd line potential and has apparently rejected one offer already (we think it was for Frost since the Flyers were sniffing around him during the Gauthier trade)

Funny that Habs fans are saying other teams overvalue their assets when they’ve spent the past multiple years saying Josh Anderson is worth a 1st+ or multiple 1sts, that Jeff Petry and Joel Edmundson would return 1sts, that a #6/7 D at best in Xhekaj is worth a 1st+, that Dvorak is worth a 2nd+, etc.

And you really think Dach and a 1st is closer to Jack Hughes value than Holtz? Dach is severely injury prone, just tore his knee, and has never put up 20+ points in a season at 5v5. His value has gone down since Montreal acquired him

Lol oh man

Every rumour comes from the Sportsnet guys or the TSN guys.

Makes sense though, Blatantly ignoring information that doesnt fit your narrative is an American thing to do. Exponentially increases on the East Coast

With all these rumoured deals that Hughes has apparently turned down I’m surprised Habs fans aren’t calling for his job

Like the 1st++ you were offered for Josh anderson?

Former 1st with 2nd line potential is cryptic garbage leaked by the habs to pump their own players values (rookie GM move btw), and means you just KNOW that it's some random bust. Like when Vancouver was trying to pump the tires of the horvat return by describing Beauvillier as a former 1st.

I'm Canadian.

And who do you think their sources are? Habs front office. They leak 100x more than any other team in the league.

Probably offered Beauvillier from chicago or some ****, described it as a former 1st, and then habs fans deluded themselves into thinking it was frost

We are. We arent happy with him not taking the 1st rounder Calgary was offering for Anderson in 2021. We arent happy with him not taking the 2nd that was offered in 2022 offseasonfor Dvorak . We arent happy he didnt trade Monty or Allen earlier in the year. We arent happy with him rejecting offers for Xhekaj. we arent happy with the fact we might even trade Monahan and might resign him. Wake up and open your eyes

Its a fact Calgary offered a 1st in 2021 for him and then the Habs were close to getting 7th overall from the Sens for Anderson and 26th overall (Mesar). But youre an american so you ignore any info that doesnt fit your narrative

That's one I'd consider if Jiricek actually demanded a trade (which is unlikely, obvious solution is to let him play like 10 more AHL games and get 25 minutes a night, then call him up and never scratch him again). If we're trading a 1RD of the future, we need a 1RD of the future back, which Reinbacher should be.

The market dictates the price but only if that player is a need for a team. None of these players are a need for the Devil's. Allen is an expensive back up, even retained. Monahan is a half decent middle 6 centre that a team might overpay a first for. That first is likely #25 or later. Wifi is an AHL defenseman/ prospect that could maybe be a second pairing guy, maybe. Likely a physical third pair defenseman. Those guys aren't exactly that hard to come by.
You are literally asking for a teams second best prospect who is having a very nice rookie season as a 22 year old.
No team would trade a player with the pedigree and upside of Holtz for what you are offering, let alone adding a first. Ask yourself, would you trade Reinbacher for that package? Obviously you wouldn't and if you say yes well let's hope for the rest of the league that you somehow become GM of the Habs so they can sell you their spare parts for top assets.

His comments where pretty damning. Hes not enjoying the way hes being developed and its true. He should be in the NHL. But the CBJ management is so scared of past players they rushed, that they are being too cautious

So the Devils dont need a LHD D man on the bottom pair?
Devils dont need an upgrade in net?
Devils dont need a center?

If i recall, 2 of those positions are being charged and the Devils have one of the leagues worst goaltending