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Sooo Kotkaniemi eh

Team: 2023-24 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 2, 2024
Published: Feb. 2, 2024
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Him leaving to Carolina messed up both Carolina and Mtl.
Carolina got a player and payed him way too much money up front.
Mtl went and traded away great picks for Dvorak...who would be lucky to play again in the nhl
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  1. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
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Pretty much all he's worth now.
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21$83,500,000$76,596,917$450,000$500,000$6,903,083
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Feb. 2 at 9:00 p.m.
#76
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Quoting: glaive
The base stats still say he's not that good mi amigo, you're just a homer


Nope, look them up. Here, I'll give you the link myself. Or you just another blind hater?

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?stdoi=oi
Feb. 2 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
KK averages 12 minutes 5 on 5 a night, he also plays PP and PK, but you go off buddy. He's a fine 2C that's extremely streaky.


correcting this
Feb. 2 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
I'm fully aware, but percentages don't lie and it's not as if Eller has a small sample size. The time difference is not significant.


It's 20% of the total time played, or close enough to it.
Feb. 2 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
KK averages 12 minutes 5 on 5 a night, he also plays PP and PK, but you go off buddy. He's a fine 2C that's extremely streaky.


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what an incredible 2C
Feb. 2 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: glaive
The base stats still say he's not that good mi amigo, you're just a homer


Bingo. He's chasing to be in the top five homers on this board.
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Feb. 2 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: glaive
correcting this


Try again, Embed didn't work
Feb. 2 at 9:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
It's 20% of the total time played, or close enough to it.


It's not a significant difference in time.
Feb. 2 at 9:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
It's not a significant difference in time.


It's 80 minutes, that's not significant????? Stop
Feb. 2 at 9:01 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Bingo. He's chasing to be in the top five homers on this board.


he already is. widely known too
Feb. 2 at 9:01 p.m.
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Quoting: glaive
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what an incredible 2C


LOL Look at that defensive prowess! Do you have Eller's numbers by any chance?
Feb. 2 at 9:02 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
LOL Look at that defensive prowess! Do you have Eller's numbers by any chance?


A defensive stalwart in his eyes.

And Idk, i just use their twitter for the cards idk if eller is on there
Feb. 2 at 9:04 p.m.
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Quoting: glaive
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what an incredible 2C


See, I'm not a much bigger fan of this model, but if this is what you use to justify your take, I can at least say I respect this. KK's better than this in both zones, and the lack of transition numbers suggest a lack of tracking, which is why I'm always skeptical, but at this point, I'll just agree to disagree with you.
Feb. 2 at 9:04 p.m.
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Quoting: glaive
A defensive stalwart in his eyes.

And Idk, i just use their twitter for the cards idk if eller is on there


Ah ok, gotcha. And yes, defensive stalwart. LOL
Feb. 2 at 9:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
See, I'm not a much bigger fan of this model, but if this is what you use to justify your take, I can at least say I respect this. KK's better than this in both zones, and the lack of transition numbers suggest a lack of tracking, which is why I'm always skeptical, but at this point, I'll just agree to disagree with you.


LOL You can't handle any stats that prove you wrong. Point proven. Go away.
Feb. 2 at 9:07 p.m.
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Quoting: glaive
GD_tBEXXYAAAgP4?format=jpg&name=small

what an incredible 2C


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This is the pure base stats from NST, unedited, it's why I don't take models like that too seriously
Feb. 2 at 9:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Canes have no problem with KK lol. He's been very good, and his contract is a steal for what he does. His offense is incredibly streaky, but he'll still end up with about 50 points as a defensive stalwart.


We just got done paying friggen Jordan Staal 6 Million a year for a decade for similar offense yet nobody talks about that lol
Feb. 2 at 9:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Canesfan21_
We just got done paying friggen Jordan Staal 6 Million a year for a decade for similar offense yet nobody talks about that lol


Staal's different, in that he was a bad signing from the beginning. KK's still only 23, and he's likely going to get better.
Feb. 2 at 10:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
This guy just signed up today. He's gotta be some weird troll. He's clearly delulu


Good catch…didn’t even notice that lol
Feb. 2 at 10:56 p.m.
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Canes fans gotta let go of the narrative that KK is some never seen before Bergeron reincarnation in his own end. The only reason his defensive numbers are even the slightest bit appealing is because his quality of comp is near non existent. The guys on his team take all the matchups and he practically plays against bums and it makes him look so much better than he is. He also sucks offensively.


That is literally just one Canes fan and doesn't even close to speak for our entire fan base.
Feb. 2 at 11:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
image.png?ex=65d014d4&is=65bd9fd4&hm=51f2140cea2ac9ab643164a4eeae1f876eae8772cbb90a4138537b4666440391&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1393&height=276

This is the pure base stats from NST, unedited, it's why I don't take models like that too seriously


If KK played any more than the 12-13 minutes he plays a night his stats would look a WHOOOLLLEEE lot different. A 2c doesn't play 12 minutes a night with sheltered defensive matchups. He's a 3c

You're comparing raw on-ice totals for a sheltered player on a contender vs the player playing 21 minutes on a rebuilder.

Why you're deciding to doing that? No clue
Feb. 2 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Caniac2000
He's exceptional defensively, and he's been VERY good. Perhaps you should try watching him more often, but he's not bad. His shooting, oh my god, he may bruise a goalies chest on certain nights, but he's a very good NHL player


He's so good defensively he's never gotten a single selke vote and is sheltered with 60% ozone faceoffs
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Feb. 2 at 11:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Bingo. He's chasing to be in the top five homers on this board.


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Feb. 2 at 11:24 p.m.
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He's so good defensively he's never gotten a single selke vote and is sheltered with 60% ozone faceoffs


That's the problem, he's not very good defensively. The only time he IS that good is when he's sheltered.
Feb. 3 at 1:17 a.m.
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https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/mccanja01/gamelog/2021

I’m not lying. Here is his game log from his final season in Pittsburgh. Show me where the 20+ game goalless streak is that was the reason he got traded out of Pittsburgh.

McCann never had a season where he scored only 9 goals. So you’re clearly the one lying here lol…at least not with Pittsburgh anyway


Those are litterally quotes from Penguins news sources..... You must have your head buried in the sand.
No one said he had a season of 9 goals. The point is, his first 9 goals in pit 4 of them were empty nets. That was the kind of production he was bringing. Empty net goals, garbage goals, followed by long streaks of no goals.
This was his play and there is a trail of news articles about it all over the web. How can you even deny it.
He was there after trade dead line, 1 season, then 1/2 the next season with injury.
During the whooping 2 total seasons of ice time he had, the play was inconsistent at best.
He flashed a few times, people liked him because he was fast and had spunk one of the few pens willing to drop gloves and stick up for himself.
But at the end of the day, he just did not produce anywhere near like you want to say.
But meanwhile, lets capfriendly troll a 23 year old KK?
McCann was no better at that age. Period.
It was a mistake for FL to make him a throw in, and it was a mistake for PIT to move him out for the same reason FL did.
So why are you sitting here acting like moving KK for a 2nd is all he's worth? CAR doesn't need to rush a 23 year old player because he's not consistent at 23. Most players aren't.
Feb. 3 at 1:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
I'm not sure why you think I care about this to a point that I'm trying to create a different narrative. All you're doing is proving to other people on this board that you have zero clue what you're talking about.


all your doing is showing people on this board you are so jealous of a 23 year old hockey player that you sit on the internet and troll him for being inconsistant.
 
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