This would be incredibly naive and doesn’t consider cap implications at all. Its an overpay on both by a wide margin

I've never considered old man Hertl to get a 1st in anything trade-like - let alone 2-1st's & 2-NHLers!

Mr. Sweeney's job is safe at last, safe at last, safe at last...

That's an extreme underpay for Hanifin lol

Mike Grier is already retaining on Burns and Karlsson, No way is he retaining on Tomas Hertl for the next 6.25 years. You want Hertl you take him as he is.

Lysell is the only decent piece in the Hanifin trade, Calgary declines no retention.

What would you give for Strome?

Lysell is better than any prospect they’d get in this draft past 15. Sorry not including him for a player we can likely sign outright. His production level at the AHL coupled with his talent, recent team oriented play, and skill level is more than a decent piece.

Id say no to Lysell and a 2nd without giving it a second thought. All it takes is Hanifin making a decision to not sign until July and he can come back home

Are we talking about the same Lysell?

Yep. You watched him play this year? The AHL is designed to get players to stop playing entitled and moving into the next step of their career. Mouganel has gotten a kid who dropped in the draft because he was a me player into a team oriented player with high level skill.

I don’t give that up for a pending FA from Boston who is close to his family and GM’s believe will sign as a FA for nothing. I believe he is the only one of his siblings who has moved away from Boston and he spends a ton of time there. Maybe offer a 3rd to get the 8th year.

Compare Lysell to Coronato. They are pretty close. Matt is more apt to shoot more, but both are highly talented prospects. Would you trade him and a late first for a pending free agent you believe will sign with you outright?

Boston not doing either of these.

Hertl is in the 2nd year of a very long deal with a NMC he won't waive. And both Zacha and Coyle are outplaying him this year. You don't give up two 1st rounders for 2/3 Center on a deal that is going to get worse and worse. Take Geekie out of the trade and the other one isn't bad.

For that package I think GMMG would use the final retention slot for the next 1.25 years (Burns' comes off the books) and continues as the second retention slot for the 4 years afterwards.



Personally I think Tommy would waive to go to Boston. He's supposedly planning on talking about his future with GMMG in the offseason, but if an offer like that came along they'd discuss it a few months earlier.

Agree to disagree he's pretty mid tbh

Have you ever watched him? Just curious. If he’s mid, so is Coronato.

I agree that Boston should be keeping their near NHL ready prospects over picks. I think their window is 4-5 years at most (unless they can find some diamonds in the rough with shrewd cap management). The picks they make probably won’t be massive contributors during that window. Lysell/poitras/Lohrei should be

I am curious to see what it would take to get Hertl. My guess is less than it took to get Lindholm, because the back years of the contract would be a concern.

Two number 1’s and Poitras seems like someone should be checked for a concussion.

Every Boston fan thinks the few prospects they have in the system are elite and coveted by every team.

Also, Calgary has a plethora of wingers so, this trade is even more uninspiring

If fans were valuing Coronato or Wolf as late 2nd round picks, you’d speak up.

With the failure rate of prospects, I think your position.on your plethora of prospects is naive. Lysell likely gets significant playing time in Calgary if he was traded there. Watch him this year if you’d like to see what he’s become

Zadarov and Lindholm went for exactly what their market was and it’s for considerably less than any of the packages that you have tossed out there.

I will acknowledge that once Hanifin is traded, he may view that as a more viable long term place to stay vs Calgary, but he is just months away from FA and his hometown team has opportunity, interest, and cap space plus they are just frankly a better team right now.

Boston shouldn’t trade their 3 NHL ready prospects if they are being valued below a late first in a bad draft.

Grzelcyk is so slept on

Grzelcyk is a pending UFA, And i seriously doubt he re-signs with Calgary.

If Calgary offered a multi year contract, I don’t see why he wouldn’t. I believe one of the reasons that Winnipeg paid a premium for Monahan is that he likely will resign there.

If Calgary wanted a solid, offensive defenseman whose overall metrics until this year looked solid … I think he’d agree to a 2 or 3 year contract right now to bring certainty. He hasn’t healthy all year up until now. My concern long term is how healthy does he remain as he gets older

The risk, for him, if he waits is people put an over emphasis on this year’s injury plagued year as opposed to the last 3 where statistically he has been very sold

This assumes that Calgary even cares about being competitive over the next few years . They may not

Lindholm went for more than I had proposed, which was a 1st, a blue chip prospect and whatever salary dump that came back. The 4th/3rd and Joni Jurmo are toss-ins above that rate. Hunter Brzustewicz, the 2024 first-round pick and kuzmenko were exactly the return expected. Conversely, Zadorov's return wasn't as good, but Conroy's priority was not retaining salary and moving him before it became a distraction to the team. Hanifin is having a great year (as opposed to Lindholm) and is younger. It's not unreasonable to expect a return in line with Lindholm's: 1st, bluechip prospect, and whatever salary needs to come back. Lysell's junior numbers are close to Hunter Brzustewicz's, except the latter is an RD and 3rd in OHL scoring. If you look at the previous award winners of OHL scoring for d-men most went on the be good NHL players (Rasmus Anderson, Ryan Ellis, Dougie Hamilton, Evan Bouchard.... I'll ignore Deangelo but he is there too). In short, Calgary will trade for the best package, and this could easily be beaten by other teams who have draft capital and depth at the positions they need.

I'm well aware of why the AHL is the farm system: many prospects who excel in the AHL don't in the NHL (Matt Phillips was a leading scorer in the AHL and struggled this year). Of all our top prospects, only Wolf and Hunter Brzustewicz aren't wingers:

Honzek- LW
Zary -LW/C.
Pelletier - LW
Coronato -RW
Bell -LW/RW
Pospisil -RW
Suniev - LW/RW

There isn't a ton of wingers spots on our roster and we only have two natural centers playing right now at the NHL level.

Regardless of the probabilities of any player being a success at the NHL level, the distribution of the prospect pool is what it is: Calgary has more wingers on their NHL roster and in the system than any other position. Natural Centers and Defense is lacking in our system. Calgary also isn't in a position to buy a rental or contend for the cup, so your point about including wolf or Coronato in a deal is moot. If we were AZ, Buffalo, Ottawa or NJ and had the chance to take a run at the cup, then a rental would make sense. They have the prospect depth to make those moves without it severely impacting them down the road. Calgary doesn't. Boston doesn't either, which is why you are overvaluing bruin's prospects in comparison to other teams comparable prospects. Just because they are more critical to your team doesn't mean they are better than a prospect on another team with a deep farm system.

I will suggest based on your feedback on every Lindholm deal I saw during discussions that this is more after the fact rationalization to pacify yourself rather than the truth.

Its OK. It’s going to happen on the Hanifin deal as well.

I saw multiple fans calling Kuzmenko a negative contract and only one who really focused on Hunter pre deal (props to Ledge &. I think it was a good deal for Lindholm. I am curious how Hunter adjusts to the AHL, because the best player on Kitchener last year (Pinielli) has 8 points in like 40 games at Ontario. He’s performed much better than expected as an overage prospect in the OHL to date and looks like a very good 3rd round pick.

Most of my deals for Lindholm prioritized a center prospect and a 1st, like Lindholm to Seattle for Wennberg, a 1st, and OFM. To be honest, I didn't think Van would part with Hunter Brzustewicz. I thought it would be Raty considering the lack of center depth in Calgary's system.

I also didn't want Kuzmenko given that he is another winger, and a cap dump; but, c'est la vie....Calgary can always trade him elsewhere if he improves. If not, It only a year and they aren't contending next year either. There are too many holes to fill in the roster and the farm to be anything but mediocre again. But that's what you get when you draft as poorly as the Flames have. Fun fact, the Bruins actually have the same amount of top-10 picks as the Flames since 1992, but 72 more playoff wins in that span. I'm shocked Todd Button still has a job. If it wasn't for Fox and Gaudreau, Calgary would rank a lot lower in draft wins.