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Quoting: joshelkin

Not when you’re taking back Ryan Johansen’s contract for 2 years

It’s one year, the remainder of this season won’t matter if they sell, but yes he is negative value.

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Feb. 14 at 8:35 p.m.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

how is a 28 yr old winger who scored 39 goals last year and this year fell out of favor with Tocchet this year. Under Bruce Boudreau he was incredible

Because he was playing fourth line minutes and I'm just telling you what I remember hearing

Feb. 14 at 8:37 p.m.

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Quoting: seanrushton

Because he was playing fourth line minutes and I'm just telling you what I remember hearing

He was demoted to the 4th line by Tocchet. Again under Boudreau, he scored 39 goals. He doesn't go from that to a cap dump in last than a year.

Feb. 14 at 8:38 p.m.

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Quoting: dmh1

Think you’re underselling Meyers a bit here. He’s been much better in the NHL than his production would suggest, suffering mostly from low shooting percentages and real unlucky bounces. Has had chances. I think he specifically makes a ton of sense for the Isles if they sell. Could easily be a young replacement for Martin or Clutterbuck.

When I'm talking about a package for my 2C who's been a top scorer and a good 2 way player for us for years. I don't want 4th line prospects who can replace Clutter or Martin. I need better value.

Feb. 14 at 8:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

He was demoted to the 4th line by Tocchet. Again under Boudreau, he scored 39 goals. He doesn't go from that to a cap dump in last than a year.

I mean they we're paying the Flames to take Kuzmenko off their hands... I think that qualifies as a cap dump

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Feb. 14 at 8:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

He was demoted to the 4th line by Tocchet. Again under Boudreau, he scored 39 goals. He doesn't go from that to a cap dump in last than a year.

He was very widely reported (Friedman etc.) to be considered a cap dump.

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Feb. 14 at 8:42 p.m.

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Quoting: seanrushton

I mean they we're paying the Flames to take Kuzmenko off their hands... I think that qualifies as a cap dump

again, where is any media article or coverage stated that Vancouver paid more to get rid of Kuzmenko? From what I read, other teams were interested in him. If he was considered a negative value, I'm sure more teams would have taken him from Vancouver.

Feb. 14 at 8:43 p.m.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

I think it was stated in 32 Thoughts

Feb. 14 at 8:43 p.m.

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Quoting: dmh1

He was very widely reported (Friedman etc.) to be considered a cap dump.

Friedman, really? that's the source. lol Ok.

I would love to have my isles take a "in prime" winger who just scored 39 goals and get him for free from Vancouver

Feb. 14 at 8:44 p.m.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

When I'm talking about a package for my 2C who's been a top scorer and a good 2 way player for us for years. I don't want 4th line prospects who can replace Clutter or Martin. I need better value.

Sure which is why he’s not a main piece, but lets be honest those kind of guys are total catnip for Lou.

Feb. 14 at 8:46 p.m.

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Quoting: dmh1

Sure which is why he’s not a main piece, but lets be honest those kind of guys are total catnip for Lou.

I would have to hope that even at the old fart's age, he still would recognize that the value here isn't there for Nelson.

Feb. 14 at 8:56 p.m.

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Most of the arguments are pretty much moot points anyway. The Avs can't really afford Nelson next year.

Feb. 14 at 9:01 p.m.

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Quoting: joshelkin

That I agree with. Thought we were taking Johansen too. But I’d just prefer a 1st and higher end prospect

Still don’t think Nelson is traded at all though

It would probably be smart to trade Nelson now and get a a larger return than a as a rental next year but it would go against everything Lou has done in the past years

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Feb. 14 at 9:03 p.m.

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Most of the arguments are pretty much moot points anyway. The Avs can't really afford Nelson next year.

Depends on Landeskog’s status. If he’s done, you’d have to do a bit of surgery in the summer, but it’s very doable.

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Feb. 14 at 9:08 p.m.

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It would probably be smart to trade Nelson now and get a a larger return than a as a rental next year but it would go against everything Lou has done in the past years

Yeah this is the main kicker to me. Isles gonna be in a real bad spot 3-4 years from now though if they continue with this.

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Feb. 14 at 9:20 p.m.

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Quoting: dmh1

Depends on Landeskog’s status. If he’s done, you’d have to do a bit of surgery in the summer, but it’s very doable.

Ok, maybe I should have added the word 'realistically' to the last post.

Feb. 14 at 9:23 p.m.

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Ok, maybe I should have added the word 'realistically' to the last post.

While I agree with you, it's a moot point. But not for the financial reason you state. But I don't think the isles will move Nelson, all be it a dump move by not.

You can't say that it's not "Realistic" that Landeskog's career is over. He's been out for what 2 years now. I think the injury will force him to retire IMO unfortunately.

Feb. 14 at 9:25 p.m.

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Ok, maybe I should have added the word 'realistically' to the last post.

I mean it’s 2 million dollars more than ryjo it’s not impossible to make work.

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Feb. 14 at 9:27 p.m.

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Avs are going to have a big problem vis a vis the cap next season

it really only becomes an issue if landy comes back. outside of that kovalenko basically slots in for drouin and you've got pretty much the same top 9 including nelson.

Feb. 14 at 9:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Nightowl26

The problem is that the Avs can't (and likewise fans shouldn't) make that assumption. Therefore they have to factor that in so it's very much a case of what is realism and what is fantasy. However I do agree that the Isles likely won't move, nor want to move, Nelson.

Feb. 14 at 9:31 p.m.

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Quoting: Altar7358

I mean it’s 2 million dollars more than ryjo it’s not impossible to make work.

As I said, realism vs fantasy. Sure you can make it work. Anything is mathematically possible on here. In reality the Avs have to consider Gabe is going to be back until or unless they know otherwise and therefore plan accordingly. Whether that means moving other pieces out to accommodate a move like this and taking the hit if he doesn't make it back, or saying 'nope, can't afford that'.

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Feb. 14 at 9:40 p.m.

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Quoting: ArakinSkywalker

it really only becomes an issue if landy comes back. outside of that kovalenko basically slots in for drouin and you've got pretty much the same top 9 including nelson.

They can't make a move and assume Landy isn't going to ever come back; that is just unrealistic. My guess is that he gives it a go next season so he knows for sure if he can handle game action. It's possible he makes the decision this summer but it isn't a foregone conclusion.

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Feb. 14 at 10:10 p.m.

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I mean they move Girard and would have 5 million to get bottom of the lineup players and have more futures added for Girard if landy is back and if he’s not you don’t need to move anybody

Feb. 14 at 10:26 p.m.

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I mean they move Girard and would have 5 million to get bottom of the lineup players and have more futures added for Girard if landy is back and if he’s not you don’t need to move anybody

....and also have to replace Girard. I mean we all know the maths can be made to work. I've done it myself plenty of times. Personally I think Manson & Byram (Byram is bringing in the highest return out of the three 'moveable D', and Manson probably has to be moved) are likely to get moved before Girard, and in all honesty the covid flat cap knackered the Avs plans. The likelihood is at least two paid guys have to be moved next year for the Avs to not stagnate further which is to my mind what has happened. Whether both on D or a D & F is another question. Doing it for Nelson? Certainly wouldn't be my choice.

Feb. 14 at 10:56 p.m.

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