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I mean, I do think it’s reasonable to expect a high package for Buchnevich, he is a good 1st liner, I’d peg his value around 2 1sts too, just maybe separated into like a 1st and good prospect or a 1st, and 2 lower valued assets that combined roughly make up another 1st

I’m a blues fan.

The best Buchnevich deal I’ve found is Detroit for Perron, B level nhl ready prospect, pick depending on prospect quality.

I suggest berggren and a 1st with protection, but I’m no scout and I’m sure there’s a viable target in the org.

Blues fans think that’s way too low for a return on Buchnevich .

I think it’s wishful thinking to get that much, specifically the first of a wildcard/bubble team. (Even tho I’m bullish on the wings, that pick is much more valuable than teams projected to win cup.) I wouldn’t be surprised if Yzerman refused to move it. So in my mind the return is Perron, berggren, 2nd, perhaps future 2nd conditioned to resign. Stl likely won’t get either a super premium pick OR a super premium prospect for Buchnevich. Best case is retain and send to Canada, but buch has trade protection and I’m guessing he isn’t into pay cuts. I almost think this deal won’t be possible because stl will demand the 1st and Detroit will refuse, and the clock will do the rest.

I see a ton of proposals or chats where blues fans are adding like multiple top shelf prospects ontop of picks and I just shake my head and move along. I think there’s going to be a lot of disappointment.

But in blues fans defense: there aren’t many comparable deals for them to lean on, and I’m wrong more than I’m right. Armstrong could have an established bidding war with retention, but so many clubs are depleted that I don’t see the market. How do you get a bidding war if 3 of the teams bidding don’t have any draft picks for years due to previous decisions. What’s Tampa, Boston, other florida, Toronto going to give you? A 2027 first lol? The buyers all know this.

Worst case for stl they keep him and get a late first next deadline, as long as he’s injury free he’s going to be among the premium rentals if not the premium rental. I’d personally rather get a larger return right now, even if that return isn’t massive itself. It would be nice for the retool to dip down low once and snag a monster pick. I’d suggest ship Parayko to Edmonton for Ceci along with moving Buchnevich and get that top 5 pick next season, preparing to contend at the bubble the next season, window fully open the next, propped up for about 5 years.

If they do some heavy retention sure, but at 5.8M thats a lot for a contender to take on right now unless it is Vegas who probably has Stone on LTIR until the playoffs. If they want to move him I am guessing it is a summer deal. They are trying to tell me he is worth more than Jake because of the extra year but Jake is the best winger available at the deadline in over a decade. You pay heavy for that even if he can't be resigned.

I don't see the Leafs having a good enough package for Nelson

Oh no they do just have 0 need for him

At this point the goal should be Rielly partner

Man this TDL might be either a dam breaker or snooze fest


2023: 10 days before Mar 3 TDL: 34 trades occurred

2024: 7 trades have occurred league wide with 2 being in the last 26 days. Were almost a week away from TDL


Either the dam is about to break or this might be a not many traded TDL or year as a whole.

I feel like the Mark Stone injury is one that forces VGK to break the dam. Boston with Ullmark and NYI putting Nelson; along with Guentzel on the market are huge motivations for teams. I think Lindgren would be another one

VGK for sure is gonna make a move but man I fee like Lindholm things still gonna be quiet or at least not as chaotic as before

There will be moves but I just dont know how many. Might be the lowest in a while

Man this TDL might be either a dam breaker or snooze fest


2023: 10 days before Mar 3 TDL: 34 trades occurred

2024: 7 trades have occurred league wide with 2 being in the last 26 days. Were almost a week away from TDL


Either the dam is about to break or this might be a not many traded TDL or year as a whole.

Good to see some reality here! Look he is a fine player and you may just want to extend him in the offseason anyway. It is insane though when I have multiple Blues fans arguing with me that he is better than Guentzel. I get the extra year helps trade values but they are just flat out arguing he is a better winger.

More parity it seems this year…lot of teams in the “could go either way” category.

[Jeremy Rutherford] I’d give it a 50%-60% chance that Jordan Kyrou gets traded before his no-trade clause kicks in (July 1st 2025), and that might be a little low. I would be shocked if Kyrou finishes his 8-year contract with St. Louis

Per hockey subreddit.

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Sounds like a load of BS to me. Would be a tremendous mistake on St. Louis' part

Last three seasons, 5v5 P/60

Guentzel
1.9
1.9
2.5

Buch
2.7
2.6
1.8

And Buch is superior defensively, allowing him to play top matchups in all situations, unlike non PK-er Guentzel. And he does not play with a generational HoF set-up man. So I'm not at all sure how Guentzel is so obviously, so signifcantly better than Buch. Or how arguing that Buch is preferable is some sort of wacky thing. Had Buch not started the season playing hurt, it might be venturing toward Cpt. Obvious territory.

The amount of people who think Dumba's got good value this TDL is mind boggling

Hes a good buy low candidate but man even then hes a secondary move to a bigger one like Schenn was after McCabe

Most I would pay for Dumba at 50% ret is a 4th

past NHL TDLs proves that big, physical, RHD will have an artificially high market value. Whether people think he is "good" or not; it could just be recognizing the market.

I mean Schenn got a third mainly due to the cap hit as he was playing top pair in Van and costed under 1m

Rental depth Dman really didnt get stupendous returns

The offseason though they got overpaid lul

Yeah it's a hard market to figure right now. But with Toronto, Dallas, Edmonton, Tampa, Jersey, Buffalo, Ottawa, and maybe Vancouver all in the buyer side of the market and maybe half a dozen decent options; this is looking like a seller's market.

I really dont feel it is. I feel last year was. This year besides a select few options arent great

I feel guys like Tanev will go for great value while for Dumba its a 4th going back

Cause teams have scouts and analytics departments they know whose got the value and there be a good chunk of RD available this TDL

Tanev, Walker, Carrier, Lybushkin, EJ, Jokiharju, Peeke, Dumba, Boqvist, Barrie, etc.