I think the sens pass on that one, MJ provides us with a lot of value as a player and contract

Joseph is a lot better than both pieces coming back. I should show u the analytics for Pageau and Wahlstrom this year . They’re goddamn awful

yeah like there *might* be interest in JGP at the cost of like a 4th or 5th round pick but not at the expense of a good roster piece. Dont care at all for Wahlstrom, dime a dozen player at this point

Ottawa will only want Pageau if Isles retain at 50%.

Joseph is currently the best player in the trade and would be 75% the cost of Pageau. No thanks from OTT.

not unreasonable, but Joseph has been doing so much for the Sens right now, I don't see them moving him for a guy who will play a similar role, but slower.

I think I'd want to see something better than Dorofeyev as the centerpiece of a Nelson trade,

I don't love being a "blame the coach" kinda guy but JGP and Wahlstrom's numbers have been done in by some seriously questionable coaching decisions, which is why I think if they moved to another team they would see a bump up in their production - provided the next team doesn't make the same mistakes Lane Lambert (and, to an extent, Barry Trotz) made with these guys.

Wahlstrom is an offense-first player, always has and always will be. The problem is, he spends just as much time playing on defensive-minded lines as he has on offensive-minded ones - since the beginning of 2021-22, his time spent skating with Mat Barzal and JG Pageau at 5v5 is almost identical (539:49 vs. 519:27 in 139 GP - and, predictably, he does better with Barzal. Skating with Barzal, his possession numbers are more or less even and the team gets 61.1% of the goals scored; with Pageau, he gets about 43% of the chances and GF% is 51.2. They've really tried to take his square peg and put it in a round hole over and over again and wonder why he hasn't panned out. I also throw a little of the blame on Barry Trotz, because in Trotz's last year the team was wellll out of it by the end of the season - perfect time to give a young kid some run and let him develop. But for some reason, after going 10-9-19 in 13:23 per night through the all-star break that year, he then spent the last 33 games of the year getting only 10:27 per night in the bottom 6 and going 3-2-5 in that time. He's a perfect change of scenery candidate.

Pageau, meanwhile, is suffering from his reputation as a strong faceoff guy and awful deployment. Under Trotz, he averaged about a 44/56 o-zone/d-zone start split and his possession numbers were not great but livable (usually 47% CF). The last 2 years under Lambert he's seen his d-zone starts jump 63% and now 71% this year - combined with the neverending parade of defense injuries behind him, and I'd say it's a miracle he still kept his CF around 47% last year and not at all a surprise that he's down to 38% this year. There's definitely some decline happening in there, sure - but I think with more judicious usage you'll see him actually looking more like his old self again.

I think the trade is an interesting value - Wahlstrom has more upside than Kastelic so i'd say he's marginally more valuable; I think Joseph is more valuable than JGP which is why I threw retention in. I also think the fits work well for both teams - moving Joseph and presumably one of Tarasenko/Kubalik gives you the roster spots to give ice time to the bevy of young wingers in Belleville (and Wahlstrom), and Kastelic is redundant if you bring JGP in. Personally, I don't mind adding a modest sweetener to the Islanders side, whether in the form of more retention or another asset, but I think it's a deal that can benefit both teams this year and next.

I appreciate the thought in this post and a lot of your points are valid, however Joseph has been our most reliable forward this year and at $3M went from a cap dump to a contract steal. Ottawa looking to add players like Pageau for the bottom 6, but his price tag is just too high and moving a younger Joseph with cup experience for an older, more expensive and worse vet just doesn't align with what Ottawa is looking to do. They want to add vets, not downgrade on the few we have now.

Wahlstrom does have more upside than Kasty, but Katelic's style is much better suited for a 4th line role which is what both players will be for their careers. I will take the big strong right handed C over the skilled 4th line winger, respectfully.

What do you want for Wahlstrom by himself?

I don't dislike the prospect of adding JGP back into the mix, I think he has some attributes that we need. For me it's simple; I would rather bank on the cheaper younger player continuing his strong play than I would bet on the older more expensive player regaining form. We need good wingers equally as much as we do a depth vet forward so it makes the choice between the 2 pretty easy for me.

Wahlstrom is probably better than Kastelic to be fair, but Kastelic sucks so I'm not too worried about the upgrade there. I would be interested in adding JGP to the mix in the offseason for something expendable, but MJ has been so good this year I wouldn't want to part with him unless its in a bigger move for a more impactful piece

personally I think there could be something interesting in a Wahlstrom/Isac Lundestrom swap. Both former 1st rounders that could use a change of scenery.

I like how Lundy is playing so I don’t think we’d be interested