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Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 10, 2024
Published: Mar. 10, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
2$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,000,000
2$1,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,000,000
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Liljegren, Timothy [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Savard, David ($1,750,000 retained)
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Pay a 3rd team to retain 50%
2.
STL
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Barron, Justin [RFA Rights]
  3. Mesar, Filip
  4. 2024 1st round pick (WPG)
  5. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
  6. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
one of the 1sts top dump Anderson full salary. Blues should be doing a quick 3 year retool so Anderson's deal shouldnt affect them
3.
MTL
    FC
    CGY
    1. Gallagher, Brendan ($2,000,000 retained)
    2. Harris, Jordan
    3. Kidney, Riley
    4. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
    4.
    MTL
    CHI
    1. 2025 3rd round pick (VAN)
    Additional Details:
    to retain 50 % Savard
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    23$87,500,000$76,138,750$1,022,500$3,977,500$11,361,250
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    $6,000,000$6,000,000
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    $7,875,000$7,875,000
    C
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    $950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
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    RFA - 1
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    $7,850,000$7,850,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,362,500$3,362,500
    C, RW
    RFA - 2
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    $8,125,000$8,125,000
    RW
    UFA - 7
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    $835,000$835,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
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    $2,900,000$2,900,000
    C, LW
    RFA - 3
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    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
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    $4,450,000$4,450,000
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $4,875,000$4,875,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,150,000$3,150,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $950,000$950,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    RD
    RFA
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $890,000$890,000
    G
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,500,000$1,500,000
    LD/RD
    RFA
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $875,000$875,000
    RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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    $812,500$812,500
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
    LD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $766,667$766,667
    RD
    UFA - 1

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    Mar. 10 at 9:37 p.m.
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    mokumboi
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    The Blues are not tearing down to studs, let alone for a bunch of late or deferred 1sts, and they're not taking Anderson.
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    Mar. 10 at 9:41 p.m.
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    1-Savard won't be trade this summer, it will be at the next deadline...

    2-i like Jordan Kyrou....but why would you pay that when you could "try" to sign guentzel...

    3-They need to do something about gallagher he look like a grandma on the ice..
    Mar. 10 at 9:42 p.m.
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    If Brad didnt trade for him this TDL why would he trade for him this summer when there are better RD available in FA?
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    Mar. 10 at 10:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    If Brad didnt trade for him this TDL why would he trade for him this summer when there are better RD available in FA?


    In lieu of playoffs (yet again) Habs fans have started trolling Leaf fans with these ridiculous proposals. If Savard goes for a 1st this summer, we’ll know Hughes has compromising photos…
    Mar. 10 at 10:43 p.m.
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    CHI might accept something like that at next years deadline.
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    Mar. 10 at 11:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: MitchJr
    In lieu of playoffs (yet again) Habs fans have started trolling Leaf fans with these ridiculous proposals. If Savard goes for a 1st this summer, we’ll know Hughes has compromising photos…


    Kent Hughes don’t want to trade Savard, people trading him just don’t follow Montreal. They come here and do what they would do, even if it’s unrealistic and super bias
    Mar. 11 at 12:37 a.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    If Brad didnt trade for him this TDL why would he trade for him this summer when there are better RD available in FA?


    Because the Leafs wont have any money to give those players.
    Mar. 11 at 12:38 a.m.
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    Quoting: Habs_22_14_20
    Kent Hughes don’t want to trade Savard, people trading him just don’t follow Montreal. They come here and do what they would do, even if it’s unrealistic and super bias


    Kent doesnt want to trade him unless he gets what he wants for him. He should be dealt for anything over a 2nd rounder. If you need a vet RHD, go sign some bum in FA
    Mar. 11 at 1:10 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Kent doesnt want to trade him unless he gets what he wants for him. He should be dealt for anything over a 2nd rounder. If you need a vet RHD, go sign some bum in FA


    Pesce, Roy, Demelo, are better than Savard so dont know how bum got there lul

    Better to keep assets and get better guys in FA then overpay for him
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    Mar. 11 at 1:11 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Because the Leafs wont have any money to give those players.


    They have 23m in cap space next season lul

    They got enough for a 6m and 4m Dman
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    Mar. 11 at 1:52 a.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    They have 23m in cap space next season lul

    They got enough for a 6m and 4m Dman


    23m with 2 top 6 forwards, 1 bottom 6 forward, 4 dmen and a starter to sign. Thats 8 positions, giving them little less than 3m per position. Good luck creating a competitive roster with that
    Mar. 11 at 1:54 a.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    Pesce, Roy, Demelo, are better than Savard so dont know how bum got there lul

    Better to keep assets and get better guys in FA then overpay for him


    Do you really think the Leafs will sign any of them. They all cost 5m+, they need 4 d men. They maybe sign 1 of them, theyll still need 3 more. Savard at 1,75m is a bargain
    Mar. 11 at 2:02 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Do you really think the Leafs will sign any of them. They all cost 5m+, they need 4 d men. They maybe sign 1 of them, theyll still need 3 more. Savard at 1,75m is a bargain


    When u got the cap space and have a spot open on the top pair

    Leafs have 23m in cap they can sign 2 of them to 4.5m and 6m easily and they be younger so **** it pay the price for better stuff and save the assets for TDL
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    Mar. 11 at 2:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    When u got the cap space and have a spot open on the top pair

    Leafs have 23m in cap they can sign 2 of them to 4.5m and 6m easily


    Thats 10.5m in 2 positions. That still leaves 3 forwards (at least 1 top 6) and 2 d men and a starting goalie, all for 13m, 6 positions for a little over 2m each

    Also its toronto, They arent that cheap. its closer to like 6m each
    Mar. 11 at 2:08 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Thats 10.5m in 2 positions. That still leaves 3 forwards (at least 1 top 6) and 2 d men and a starting goalie, all for 13m, 6 positions for a little over 2m each

    Also its toronto, They arent that cheap. its closer to like 6m each


    12.5M to spend on Robertson + Dewar + Benoit extension (wont cost more than 1.1m), a 2m backup goalie leaving 2.5-3.5m for another FA forward or two

    Demelo wont make more than 4.5m and Roy at most 6m

    Pleanty of space
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    Mar. 11 at 10:03 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Thats 10.5m in 2 positions. That still leaves 3 forwards (at least 1 top 6) and 2 d men and a starting goalie, all for 13m, 6 positions for a little over 2m each

    Also its toronto, They arent that cheap. its closer to like 6m each


    Quoting: aadoyle
    12.5M to spend on Robertson + Dewar + Benoit extension (wont cost more than 1.1m), a 2m backup goalie leaving 2.5-3.5m for another FA forward or two

    Demelo wont make more than 4.5m and Roy at most 6m

    Pleanty of space


    A Habs fan telling us we won’t be competitive next year 😂😂😂. Good luck in lottery (yet again) bud; Leafs would be foolish (like Bergevin level foolish) to give up anything for Savard, now or later. We can easily sign better or comparable FA dman without losing any assets - you know that but more important to bash Leafs, I guess 🤷🏻#rentfree
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    Mar. 11 at 10:41 a.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Kent doesnt want to trade him unless he gets what he wants for him. He should be dealt for anything over a 2nd rounder. If you need a vet RHD, go sign some bum in FA


    If no teams overpaid for Savard at the TDL, no teams will overpay this summer. Like the others said, there will be better option than 1 year of David Savard who isn’t a top pairing dman anyway. MTL have a hard time signing free agents on July 1st, you don’t trade one guy who decided to sign here for 1 or 2 assets just to sign another RHD to replace him … His teammates & management like him, he’s been a mentor for the kids. I know it’s a business, but if Savard gets traded, it’s gonna be at the TDL
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    Mar. 11 at 12:19 p.m.
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    Trading a first just to get rid of Josh Anderson seems terribly wasteful to me. Surely better asset management for Montreal would be to suffer through 18 more games of Josh Anderson and then buy him out for a cap hit of $222,222 next season? It's not as if the remaining $11,111,111 over the following 5 seasons will be a major burden on one of the League's most successful and financially sound franchises.
    Mar. 11 at 2:05 p.m.
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Trading a first just to get rid of Josh Anderson seems terribly wasteful to me. Surely better asset management for Montreal would be to suffer through 18 more games of Josh Anderson and then buy him out for a cap hit of $222,222 next season? It's not as if the remaining $11,111,111 over the following 5 seasons will be a major burden on one of the League's most successful and financially sound franchises.


    While Anderson is overpaid, he is a good NHL player
    MTL don’t need cap space for the couple next years, you just keep him and hopes he bounces back later. Mantha was considered a cap dump at the beginning of the season & just got traded for two picks. The people trading assets to get rid of certain players on rebuilding teams thinks their team are close from being competitive when they are not …
    Mar. 11 at 4:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Trading a first just to get rid of Josh Anderson seems terribly wasteful to me. Surely better asset management for Montreal would be to suffer through 18 more games of Josh Anderson and then buy him out for a cap hit of $222,222 next season? It's not as if the remaining $11,111,111 over the following 5 seasons will be a major burden on one of the League's most successful and financially sound franchises.


    A buyout for Anderson means hes on the books for 6 years instead of just 3. If all goes right, that money will be needed in those 5 years as thats their first competitive window. That late 1st rounder may or may not be a good player in that time frame.
    Mar. 11 at 4:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    A buyout for Anderson means hes on the books for 6 years instead of just 3. If all goes right, that money will be needed in those 5 years as thats their first competitive window. That late 1st rounder may or may not be a good player in that time frame.

    Do you not have math north of the border?

    Paying out $16.5 million (keeping him on the books for three seasons) is not as good as paying out $11,333,333 (keeping him on the books for six seasons).

    Moreover, the savings occurs in years 1, 2 and 3, when the cap ceiling will be lower than in later years, whereas the extra cost (a whopping $1,722,222 x 3) occurs in years 4, 5 and 6, when the cap ceiling will be higher. Specifically, you save $2,777,778 against the cap in year 2 and $1,277,778 in year 3. (I'm discounting the massive $4,777,778 savings next season because you and I both agree that Montreal won't be competitive in 2024-2025.) And it's quite likely that the cap rise in years 4, 5 and 6 will substantially if not completely offset the buyout cost in those years.

    Whether or not you get an NHL player out of that first-round draft pick, one thing is certain: you won't get any player out of NOT having that draft pick, and having any sort of player is better than not having one.

    Saying that all things considered, you'd rather have Josh Anderson for the next three seasons instead of a prospect selected with a first-round draft pick this summer or next is simply astounding to me.
    Mar. 11 at 7:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Do you not have math north of the border?

    Paying out $16.5 million (keeping him on the books for three seasons) is not as good as paying out $11,333,333 (keeping him on the books for six seasons).

    Moreover, the savings occurs in years 1, 2 and 3, when the cap ceiling will be lower than in later years, whereas the extra cost (a whopping $1,722,222 x 3) occurs in years 4, 5 and 6, when the cap ceiling will be higher. Specifically, you save $2,777,778 against the cap in year 2 and $1,277,778 in year 3. (I'm discounting the massive $4,777,778 savings next season because you and I both agree that Montreal won't be competitive in 2024-2025.) And it's quite likely that the cap rise in years 4, 5 and 6 will substantially if not completely offset the buyout cost in those years.

    Whether or not you get an NHL player out of that first-round draft pick, one thing is certain: you won't get any player out of NOT having that draft pick, and having any sort of player is better than not having one.

    Saying that all things considered, you'd rather have Josh Anderson for the next three seasons instead of a prospect selected with a first-round draft pick this summer or next is simply astounding to me.


    Okay, use your brain here. I know its hard.

    Habs save 5m in year 1 of the buyout, 3m in year 2, 1.7m in year 3 then lose cap space in year 4-6

    Buyout is out of the question. Its a bad move. Those savings for 1-3 arent worth the cap hit in years 4-6

    Now the odds of a late 1st being great is very low, like 10%. The odds of them being better than a habs player in the system is even lower. Habs dont need quantity they need quality
    Mar. 11 at 7:18 p.m.
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    Quoting: JeffGorton
    Okay, use your brain here. I know its hard.

    Habs save 5m in year 1 of the buyout, 3m in year 2, 1.7m in year 3 then lose cap space in year 4-6

    Buyout is out of the question. Its a bad move. Those savings for 1-3 arent worth the cap hit in years 4-6

    Now the odds of a late 1st being great is very low, like 10%. The odds of them being better than a habs player in the system is even lower. Habs dont need quantity they need quality

    Okay, use your brain here. I know it's hard, but it's just numbers.

    There is no way that you can seriously contend that the total savings of $8,833,333 in years 1, 2 and 3 isn't worth the cap space of $1,722,222 in each of years 4, 5 and 6, when the cap ceiling will be higher.

    Only someone who believes that $5,166,666 is a greater number than $8,833,333 could say "OK, use your brain here. I know it's hard."

    The idea that not having a first-round draft pick is better than having one is so nonsensical that it approaches the breathtakingly stupid. You're not giving up any Habs player on the roster now or ever in the future for it by buying Anderson out. The only thing that you're giving up for it is the obligation to pay Josh Anderson $5.5 million for the next three seasons. And I'd bet that every single one of your fellow Habs fans would agree with me that the chance of that first-round pick being better than 90% of the players in your pipeline right now is greater than 10%.
     
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