Kurashev has been stappled to Bedard for while now, and the Hawks like what they have at LD (for the future at least lol). I doubt they accept this.

Wyatt Kaiser can't be upgraded by Chabot?

Devils, Hawks and lightning all decline. Chabot is not a player the Hawks would target in a trade. They are loaded w/ young LD. All Chabot does does is block Kaiser and DelMastro from getting NHL ice time. And Tampa Bay has Nick Paul as their 3C. They aren't trading their best defensive D man, giving up a 1st and adding almost $3m in cap hit for a player who doesn't really fit in their lineup.

Hawks have zero interest in Chabot.

I did not say he wouldn't be an upgrade I said I don't want to give up Kurashev who is showing good chemistry with Bedard. I also said I like the hawks LD for the future: Korch, Vlassic, Del Maestro, and Allan, etc.

Not with his 8 mil cap hit. Hawks are already overpaying jones. They don't need another overpayed defenseman.

Even if the 2nd round picks were going to CHI, CHI declines. CHI isn't helping OTT clear cap space and simultaneously taking on the most expensive years of Chabot's contract, which also happens to be the first year his M-NTC kicks in, and more than likely will not age well. We're good. I'd bet CHI is one of the teams on that "No Trade List", anyway. Kurashev is worth more than Chabot in my opinion, for various reasons. Not to mention CHI has zero interest in LD, especially not an overpaid one.

Hawks: IDK, Chabot-Jones seems like a good pairing, would all Chabot to have a better season for 2 years, makes the Hawks better which makes Bedard happy and can be trade with term at 4 mill 2 years from now

Tampa: They are trading Cernak FOR a 1st+3rd+Norris. Tampa could then put Point on the wing with Kuch and Cerelli or with Norris and could run Norris, Cirelli, Paul or could move Paul to the wing with Hagel or Stamkos in place of Sheary and do much better... They also receive a 1st to load up at TDL if they want to

IDK how you got Tampa sending a 1st, bc it's Ottawa who's sending the 1st

So, your saying you wouldn't want to flip Kurashev and 2 2nds for the Potential of a bigger haul from Chabot increasing in value as he's likely to get better?

Chabot isn't worth more. He is older, overpaid, has an M-NTC, on a contract that won't age well.

Also, if that is the case, how about OTT just sells their own player and then pays us straight up for Kurashev?

No they're not going to gamble on Chabot magically playing better on a worse team.

Chabot is an excellent player, of course; he's just not a fit for the Hawks. He'd impede the development of our LD pipeline. The Hawks would be foolhardy to have a major part of this value as being "flippable" for a terrific return, too... All kinds of future, unforeseen things (injuries, etc) can change that consideration - in a hurry.

Now, if the Sens want to dump Zub, instead... Perhaps something could be worked out for him, but that'd be an entirely different deal.

Chabot's what? 27? So the contract's until 31, when defensemen are in their prime?

*Chabot playing better with more opportunity*

Yep. I read that Tampa trade wrong. But they probably still decline. Can't see them wanting to add another $8m a year forward (who has legit health concerns by the way) while weakening their blue line at the same time. Cernak is the Bolts best defensive D man by a mile. Won't say he's untouchable, but trading him for another highly paid top 6 forward makes no sense.

As for Chabot, he and Jones on a pair together would be a trainwreck. Who's actually playing D on that pair? Vlasic seems like an excellent partner for Jones, and Vlasic is only going to get better. And Chabot isn't an $8m a year D man any more than Jones is a $9.5m a year D man. Two overpaid blue liners on the same roster? No thanks. I'm not sure Chabot half retained is any easier to trade than Jones half retained would be.

They could go after a Cernak replacement with the assets they receive from the Norris trade... It could work and Tampa gets another chance at a cup

Isn't Jones good at defence?

I said older, meaning older than Kurashev by a significant margin. And CHI will be rebuilding... during his so called "prime years". Also, that it is speaking way too generally to begin with. Also, you seemed to gloss over the rest of my original post. They are the most expensive years of his entire contract AND he has an M-NTC that kicks in next year which includes a 10 team no trade list... Nah. CHI is good. Pay for Kurashev if you want, but CHI isn't doing the whole "taker our guy and flip him" deal. If he was flippable, OTT could just move him to a team that is interested and has a need for LD.

Chabot wouldn't get anymore opportunity. Jones is still better than Chabot. Jones would get that pp1 time and Chabot would be 2nd or 3rd pair with either Murphy or whoever the hawks sign in free agency

Ok then... IMO, would be smart to do that... But what do I know, guys like Sakic and Yzerman do that all the time

Chabot would be pair 1 with Jones and would be PP1 either with Jones or over Jones...

Go after a Cernak replacement with what cap space? Tampa is already adding $2.7m swapping Cernak for Norris. How many shutdown RD guys are going to be available for under $3m, which is likely all the cap space Tampa would have if they make this deal. Nope, Tampa just keeps Cernak.

I'd put Jones defensive abilities on the same level as Chabot's. Say average at best. They are the same player. Offensive D men who struggle at times in their own end. These two DO NOT make a good pair. Especially not a top pair!

TDL... with double retention, allows them to load up and the cap should increase roughly to 92.5 which allows them to resign that replacement...






Most recent JFresh cards I could find for free...

It looks like they would do well together IMO

Those JFresh cards prove my point exactly! A Chabot/Jones pair is not good defensively. Very good offensively. Below average defensively.

Regardless of what you might think, you've had 4 other Hawks fans plus me tell you the Hawks aren't trading for Chabot. Chabot isn't a need nor is he a good fit for the Hawks. Time to accept that trade isn't a good one and move on.

I’d rather keep Chabot over that package personally. He’s a bit overpaid but it’s not like he’s a 2m player @8m, more likely a 6.5mish guy. Chabot-Chychrun is an awful pairing, mainly because they both don’t play a lick of defence. Chabot needs a steady, stay at home guy who can move the puck to be at his best. Matt Roy, DeMelo etc. would be perfect partners for him. I’d rather move Chychrun to be honest! Lower cap hit is more appealing to teams so can likely get a better package!