Schneider was better, younger, cheaper and was RFA

Pass on giving up Bratt+ for Tkachuk.

Saros isn't as good an asset as Schneider was

I'd do that for Jeannot

As much as I'd love to have Brady Tkachuk, I wouldn't trade Bratt for him and I doubt Ottawa would consider a package centered around Mercer.

OTT and NSH definitely decline. It's not a terrible offer for Jeannot, but TBL can't accept that so soon after massively overpaying for him.



Schneider was indeed a whole year younger when he was traded, than Saros is now.

He wasn't an RFA though (he had two years left on his contract, and was set to become a UFA at the end of it).

Schneider's $4M was 6.22% of the salary cap, at the time of the trade. Saros' $5M will be 5.70% of next season's cap. So Schneider isn't "cheaper".

Schneider wasn't better, at the time of the trade. He wasn't even an established starter yet. And with all due respect to the man who got a 2nd place Vezina vote that one time, he never got as good as Saros is.

Schneider was heading into his age 27 season when traded.
Saros will be heading into his age 29 season

Schneider in the 3 years leading up to the trade.

1st in GAA
1st in SV%
2nd in GSAx/60 behind Henrik
4th in overall GSAx

Saros in the last 3 years:
4th in GSAx
7th in sv%
18th in GAA

overall from 2010-2016

1st in GAA
1st in SV%
2nd in GSAx (only henrik was better)

You again seem to have no idea just how good schneider was

Schneider was an excellent backup/tandem goalie, at the time of that trade, who went to become a better than average starter.

Saros is a workhorse starter who can single handedly drag a lottery team further than they have any right to go. He's never had a losing season, despite some of the underwhelming teams NSH has iced, during his time. He flat out does more for NSH than Schneider ever did for any of his teams.

Schneider was still in RFA years at time of trade.
Schneider was better in 2012-13 than Saros is today
Schneider was cheaper in $, but yes, higher in %.

One year of Saros is worth less than two years of Schneider

Schneider was the #1 at time of trade, coming off a season where he started 63% of games.

Sure starter in a shortened season. You can say 63% to make 30 games sound more impressive if you want. But 30 games isnt a full starters workload. It wasnt til the 2nd season in new jersey that Schneider eclipsed a 60 game starters load. He only had 45 games the 1st season.

This will be saros' 3rd 60+ start season. There is no comparison in work load experience

I don't know what you mean by "still in RFA years". He was scheduled to be a UFA at the end of the contract he was on. Same as Saros is now.

Schneider was a good backup with the potential to be a starter, in 2013. Saros is an established top tier starter. There's a big difference between those two things.

A colour TV cost fewer dollars in the 70s, than it does now. It would have been a much higher percentage of the average worker's salary though, which probably means more to the person trying to fit a new TV into their budget.

Personally, I think two years of an above average player is worth less than one year of a star at the same position. Especially when Saros can be extended like Schneider was. To each their own, I guess.




30 games. That's a backup goalie's workload.

12-13 was a lockout year so 48 game season starting in Jan. Still surviving half a season under a starters load isnt the same as a full year. The next year he only started 45 games (55%) which is a platoon goalie format before being given full starters load the following season. He wasnt a "starter" at time of trade. He may of been on the way but wasnt there

Schneider in the 3 years after the trade:

0.924 sv% (2nd behind only price)
2.14 GAA (1st)
44 GSAx (3rd)
172 starts

if that's an "above average goaltender" then Saros is also an "above average goaltender"

Yes, Schneider had higher % of cap, but lower raw $ amount.



…but why insist on using raw number on games? He started 63% of games in his last season in Vancouver.

Wonder what they'd have said about Saros value circa 2021 after he started 36 games in a shortened 56 game season and had a career high of 40 games started.

Schneider trade is more comparable to if you tried to sell Saros after the 2020-21 season.

Schneider only had one season in the top ten in games played (Saros is currently #1, for the third straight year).
Schneider never had a season in the top ten for wins (Saros has had four to date).
Schneider never led the league in goalie point shares (Saros has done it twice to date).
Saros ranks higher on the career list for wins, GSAA, Adjusted GAA.

Saros has had a better career than Schneider did - and he's still adding to his legacy. They are not the same.

That Saros hadn't handled a starter's workload for a full season at that point in his career yet either? He was younger that season, than Schneider was in 2013. An RFA too. I've heard those things matter a lot to some people.



% of the salary cap is a bigger consideration than raw dollar amount, because a higher % allocated to one player means less to go around to make the rest of the team better.

% of games started means less than the actual number of games started, because what if it's a high % of a low number (as it is during a shortened season). Say I went to a gym that only has 100 lbs of free weights. The gym you go to has 1000 lbs. If I can lift 63% of the available weight at my gym, and you can lift say 20% of the available weight at your gym, who can lift more?

Cory Schneider and Saros have had very very similar careers.

Early 20s: FANTASTIC numbers in a backup/1B role finishing in taking over the starter role in a shortened season.
Later 20s: 2 years of elite play from saros as the true starter, (he's been quite mediocre this year tho, potentially on the decline). Schneider had 3 elite years as a starter before he began to decline at age 30, so we'll if this is just a down year or he is truly on the decline.

Goalies made much higher %s of the cap back then.

16 goalies that year made at least 7% of the cap or more (4.5 million)

Going into next year, 5 (probably 6 assuming Swayman gets 6.125 AAV or more) goalies will take up 7% of the cap.

Saros had a disappointing first half of the season. Traditionally, he's always been a slow starter, who comes on strong during the back half of the season. That slow start was compounded this year, by Saros and the rest of the team struggling to adapt to Brunette's system. He's been back to playing elite hockey for awhile now. Anyone who's been watching him play since the All-Star break could see there's no age related decline in his game. Given how positionally sound he his (he has to be, being a smaller goalie) I'd worry less about that with Saros, than I would with other goalies.

I agree with that. I think it’s a down year, and I will consistently put Saros in my top 5 goalies going forward.

The consistent underrating of who Schneider was for 6 years in his prime (arguably the best goalie in hockey, at worst top 3) needs to stop.

Schneider was HIM

Thatd be a better comparison. Nashville of course wouldnt be in a position to trade saros at that point with pekka riding into the sunset of retirement and Nashville had no other goalies in their pipeline of note.

I am with you on % of cap…

Not sure I get the analogy for starts…if a goalie is starting nearly two-thirds of his teams games, he is not getting a backup workload.

I dont think people are underrating who Schneider was. Theyre just pointing out that he just wasnt as far along as saros is right now on the development curve when he was traded. Schneider had a real good run in New Jersey. Im not 100% sure what happened on the back end of his career that made his stats dive off though

Can the goalie starting two thirds of his team's games handle doing that for a full 82 game season though? Schneider hadn't proved he could yet, in 2013.

Anders Lindback looked ready to be a starter, after being thrust into that role for a brief period, in back to back seasons. TBL learned the hard way that he wasn't.