If Ceci is a legitimate top-4 Dman, Reaves is Alexander Ovechkin.

Not going to comment on trade details - it’s been beat to death. But some have referenced tired & lazy narrative that centre is more valuable than winger; maybe slightly but not by much. Ovie, Kane, Kucherov etc… the league now, and the history of the league, is littered with superstar wingers. Drai gets slight nod but Marner is a top 10-20 player in the league, one of very few that is truly elite at both ends of the ice.

& people say Leafs fans are the most bias. Yikes..

when you play top 4 minutes on a contending team its not an accident. Ceci is a top 4 dman on most teams in this league and is certainly not a cap dump.

yes they might have been willing to trade him for a better dman that does not mean hes not a top 4 dman. just means they might have been able to get a better player in return.

tell me you dont know hockey without telling me you dont know hockey

interesting. so the same thing happens when RNH is out of the oilers line up... does that make RNH more valuable than Dri or mcdaivd? if so I like your trade but will swap RNH for DRi to be your number 2C as he is clearly the most valuable do to that!!!

when was he benched?

You’re joking if you think RNH affects a PP that has McDavid and Draisaitl on it.
Jesus. Oilers fans are starting to be worse than Habs fans and even most Leafs fans. 🤦🏻‍♂️

If you go the 2021-22 season when he was hurt the PP% and PK% dropped drastically when he was injured. But yes I am joking to point out how silly your point was with marner. has 0 to due with their value. Dri is vastly more valuable multi 50 goal season. 100points year over year. takes every important draw. centerman art ross and hart and ted lindsey winner.

Yup. Oilers fans are now worse than Habs fans and even some Leafs fans.
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one to talk thinking Marner is worth more than Dri

Lol

So are you actually saying if you were to start a franchise and you had to pick between Marner and Draisaitl you would pick Marner?

100% would

You might be the only person wo thinks this way. No other Leaf fan would agree.

Marner: 1.11ppg, +102, has been nominated for the Selke multiple times and was even a finalist
Draisaitl: 1.18ppg, +55, has only been nominated for Selke twice and never finished higher than 13th

Over the course of an 82 game schedule Draisaitl averages only 6 more points per season, while Marner blows him away defensively. Marner is also 2 years younger.

So yeah, I take Marner every day of the week. And I’m sure a bunch of people would too.

Taking stats from up to 10 years ago proves your bias.

It shows that Marner has been the more consistent player throughout his career.

Run the exact same stats for the past 3 years and tell me you think Marner is the better player. Biased.

As I’ve said multiple times, Marner is 100% the more complete player. Anyone with half a brain in hockey would agree. Go watch a game or go look at any stats. Marner is the more complete player. Draisaitl is better offensively - I’ve said that as well. But if you’re building a franchise from the ground up, you take the more complete player that can still put up 100 points and play defence at an elite level. Hockey isn’t all about just who can score the most points.

Seems more like you’re the bias one here. I’ve simply said that Marner is more complete than Draisaitl. You keep coming at me saying Draisaitl is so much better because he scores more points. But if you look at the stats, nothing I’ve said is wrong and stats are opinionated.

Draisaitl is in a different league come playoffs. But I wouldn't expect you to know much about - or put any premium on - playoff success.

The funny thing is that you continue to offer nothing constructive to the original debate but your own bias opinion, and you continue to try to make it personal by antagonizing comments. Which only suggests that you’re more of a troll than someone actually worth discussing something with. Must be a great life to sit behind a computer and try to chirp people for no reason at all!

Welcome to the ignore list kid.