Rantanen trade

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Created by: Thorne

Team: 2024-25 Colorado Avalanche

Initial Creation Date: Apr. 1, 2024

Published: Apr. 1, 2024

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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This is the depth Avalanche is allowed to have if Rantanen is traded, going with Annunen-Lyon is risky, but strong depth and possibly the strongest defence Avalanche has ever had might allow Avs to make cost savings in the goaltending department. Acquisition of Edvinsson makes Girard expendable in the future (replaced with Behrens or Gulyayev), while Berggren would be a reclamation project who can play up in the lineup if needed.

Avs would probably field a weaker team than they would if they decided to keep Rantanen, but with a potential caphit of $13M with his next contract, Avs might be better off trading him for futures on the expense of 24-25 season.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Mittelstadt, Casey		8	$7,000,000
Berggren, Jonatan		1	$925,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Drouin, Jonathan	6	$3,250,000
Walker, Sean	5	$4,000,000
Duhaime, Brandon	3	$1,125,000
Trenin, Yakov	3	$1,750,000

Trades

COL

Berggren, Jonatan [RFA Rights]
Edvinsson, Simon
Gibson, Andrew [Reserve List]
Lyon, Alex
2024 1st round pick (DET)
2026 2nd round pick (DET)

DET

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$87,500,000	$85,952,917	$0	$907,500	$1,547,083

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Drouin, Jonathan $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW, RW UFA	MacKinnon, Nathan $12,600,000$12,600,000 C NMC UFA - 7	Nichushkin, Valeri $6,125,000$6,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 6
Landeskog, Gabriel $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 5	Mittelstadt, Casey $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, C RFA	Lehkonen, Artturi $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Wood, Miles $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW M-NTC UFA - 5	Colton, Ross $4,000,000$4,000,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 3	O'Connor, Logan $1,050,000$1,050,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Trenin, Yakov $1,750,000$1,750,000 LW, C UFA	Duhaime, Brandon $1,125,000$1,125,000 RW, LW UFA	Kovalenko, Nikolai $896,250$896,250 ($57,500$58K) RW RFA - 1
		Berggren, Jonatan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Toews, Devon $7,250,000$7,250,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 3	Annunen, Justus $837,500$837,500 G RFA - 2
Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Manson, Josh $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Lyon, Alex $900,000$900,000 G UFA - 1
Edvinsson, Simon $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 2	Walker, Sean $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD/RD UFA
	Malinski, Sam $850,000$850,000 RD RFA - 1

Apr. 1 at 5:56 p.m.

Lancebmx

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Don't see Detroit doing that. Rantanen is amazing but I'm pretty sure we just keep our high end young pieces.

Edit: for some reason I thought I saw Raymond in this. Slightly changes my perspective now. Not sure how I feel.

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Apr. 1 at 5:58 p.m.

MeetYourMakar

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I know what day it is, but that is a severe underpay for Rants

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Apr. 1 at 6:01 p.m.

MoSeider53

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Yeah Yeah Yeah April Fools, Detroit passes.

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Apr. 1 at 6:02 p.m.

Thorne

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

I know what day it is, but that is a severe underpay for Rants

It is really hard to find comparable trades, Edvinsson would probably be the centerpiece in the trade, I can't see DET adding another one of their blue chip assets on top of that (Augustine, Kasper, ASP, Danielson). So I think the value might be off but if DET would add, it would probably be conditional first rounders, later round picks or lesser prospects.

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Apr. 1 at 6:16 p.m.

NMAvsFan

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Rants isn't likely to come in at a higher price than Mac. I see him at $12x8 which isn't all that much better but that's a decent 4th line player.

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Apr. 1 at 6:31 p.m.

Thorne

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

Rants isn't likely to come in at a higher price than Mac. I see him at $12x8 which isn't all that much better but that's a decent 4th line player.

MacK contract was also signed 2 years earlier, if Rants extension would come at identical caphit% it would carry an AAV of $13.36M, so I guess that is the upper limit of the extension, I see no way he signs for less than $12.5M (total contract value going over 100M carries a lot of prestige).

Apr. 1 at 6:34 p.m.

aedoran

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Quoting: NMAvsFan

Rants isn't likely to come in at a higher price than Mac. I see him at $12x8 which isn't all that much better but that's a decent 4th line player.

I think Mac brings in a bigger return but as far as a decent 4th line player I think that will change drastically depending on the teams cap space.

Apr. 1 at 6:35 p.m.

NMAvsFan

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Quoting: Thorne

Fair enough but $12Mx8=96, his jersey number so there's that, too.

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Apr. 1 at 6:35 p.m.

palhal

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For the reasons you gave for the Avs to trade him...an expensive contract in one year when he is a UF,A, is the exact reason the Wings would't give that much to obtain him.

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Apr. 1 at 6:39 p.m.

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aedoran

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

I know what day it is, but that is a severe underpay for Rants

I think how much his next contract is going to play a big part in his return since it will take about half the league out of the picture

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Apr. 1 at 6:53 p.m.

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Thorne

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Quoting: aedoran

I think how much his next contract is going to play a big part in his return since it will take about half the league out of the picture

It is the teams that are looking to exit their rebuilding phase, and don't have elite talent to make the push, I think the teams that make the most sense are Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, Columbus, Nashville, Montreal and Seattle. For return COL would likely look at blue chip prospects ready to contribute at NHL level, while carrying ELC cap hit, till example Benson, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Reinbacher. Other type of package I can see Rantanen being traded for is a package that includes top6 winger with term and team-friendly caphit (Tuch, Björkstrand, Batherson) along with several first round picks or prospects carrying equal value.

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Apr. 1 at 7:38 p.m.

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PenGoater99

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Red Wings fans saying they wouldn't do this tells you all you need to know about that fanbase.

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Apr. 1 at 7:50 p.m.

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RazorSeider53

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Detroit ain't trading Edvinsson and a 1st (++++) for a winger and I don't see why Colorado would be trading Rantanen for prospects... Particularly a LHD when they were apparently comfortable enough to trade Byram away.

Apr. 1 at 8:01 p.m.

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TJTwolf

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Avs decline. There's simply no real need for them to trade Rantanen.

Apr. 1 at 8:21 p.m.

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Thorne

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Avs decline. There's simply no real need for them to trade Rantanen.

Who would you get rid of next summer? On top of losing Drouin and Walker for nothing, COL has to get rid of atleast one roster player (Girard, Colton, Lehkonen) to make the cap work if they insist on keeping Rantanen. While I agree that keeping Rantanen probably gives us the better roster for 24-25, I think that by trading him COL can extend the cup-contending window beyond 26-27 (Makar extension).

Apr. 1 at 9:48 p.m.

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TJTwolf

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Quoting: Thorne

Colton. Not because I dislike him in any way but because he's the most replaceable. The only way you trade Rants is if you're thinking of doing something like going after Guentzel in free agency and trading for Crosby if he were to suddenly be available.

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Apr. 1 at 9:50 p.m.

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MeetYourMakar

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Quoting: Thorne

Quoting: aedoran

I think how much his next contract is going to play a big part in his return since it will take about half the league out of the picture

No doubt it's hard to find a comp, because these guys just don't get traded often. The problem with every prospect is they are unproven prospects and the Avs are in win now mode. Edvi is a cool piece to watch but he isn't in the league yet. You could offer Raymond, Edvi and a 1st and I would say no thanks.

His next deal will be like Nylander or Pasta, but lets just call it 12m. The Avs can easily fit that and roster a cup contender.

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Apr. 1 at 9:50 p.m.

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MeetYourMakar

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Quoting: TJTwolf

. The only way you trade Rants is if you're thinking of doing something like going after Guentzel in free agency and trading for Crosby if he were to suddenly be available.

No, we keep all 4... Muahahahaha

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Apr. 1 at 9:54 p.m.

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TJTwolf

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

No, we keep all 4... Muahahahaha

It's mathematically do-able with a very cheap D...... I know, I've tried!

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Apr. 1 at 10:10 p.m.

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RazorSeider53

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

Ed has literally been in the league for two weeks now...

Apr. 1 at 11:01 p.m.

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CoachCoach

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Quoting: PenGoater99

Red Wings fans saying they wouldn't do this tells you all you need to know about that fanbase.

When the Pens have some top prospects and are reluctant to move them because the cap/timing/fit/etc are tricky you let me know. We can revisit this.

Apr. 2 at 9:51 a.m.

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Nskelton

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How about keeping edvinsson, but replacing two of the assets with Cossa?

Apr. 2 at 10:19 a.m.

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MeetYourMakar

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Quoting: RazorSeider53

Ed has literally been in the league for two weeks now...

That's not even a cup of coffee

Apr. 2 at 10:40 a.m.

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RazorSeider53

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Quoting: MeetYourMakar

That's not even a cup of coffee

It's long enough to rule out "He isn't even in the league yet".

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Apr. 2 at 10:56 a.m.

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MeetYourMakar

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Quoting: RazorSeider53

It's long enough to rule out "He isn't even in the league yet".

I was wrong, I thought he was waiting for a call up, still it isnt anything to asign value to.

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