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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 21, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
Thread: 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Oilers_29</b></div><div>Well maybe if those stats stay the same until TDL he will have more value but the last 2 seasons he hasn’t been great and I can agree he’s competitive when the team is good</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>Id also like to point out <a href="https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/gibsojo02/splits/2022" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">here</a> his 21-22 pre and post all star split. That season the Ducks made it as high as 2nd in the standings before we traded Lindholm, Rakell, and Manson.

After the team found out they were breaking up the band, everyone's play suffered. It's really hard to show up and give your all when your boss doesn't believe the team can do it.</div></div>

The fact that both fan bases says overpay is funny.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 20, 2023 at 9:27 a.m.
Thread: 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>I think I'm more impressed by goaltenders who can still put up solid numbers even with poor defense. Korpisalo was on one of the worst defensive teams and put up 0.911 save percentage, he was seeing 33+ shots per game in CBJ which is 3-4 less than Gibson but that is still an impressive difference between the two. Gibson was an exceptionally good player, but we haven't seen his elite goaltending statistics or the brick wall he once was for nearly 5 years. If you have a trade comparable I'd love to see it, but typically basement teams aren't able to move their elite goaltender unless that goaltender is still putting up elite stats.

I really have to drill this point, Byfield wasn't an available option for PLD or Fiala trades who had max extensions, he is at no risk to be traded, LA only trades these assets when their value is at it's highest like Vilardi or Durzi. Google search anything from the Kings brass about Byfield and Clarke and it's about assuring both they are not going to be traded. Byfield even as a project is playing on the top-line of a playoff team, he has value to a team that is trying to win now and the defensive accumen to play against strong competition. I do expect the Kings will be willing to move futures for a goaltender at the deadline, but they'd be much better situated both from a cap perspective and for the future with a younger and cheaper goalie who has established themselves recently where goal scoring as reached highs it hasn't accomplished since the mid-90s . To me I think Lankinen, Raanta, etc. would be a better fit in LA than Gibson. This isn't a rivalry issue, the Ducks should have moved Gibson away a while ago, his stats/age/injuries does impact the ability to move him. Try to move Gibson to any other team and I think you'll hear a similar argument.</div></div>

Byfield might be on the top line, but his production isn't up to par for topline player. The goalies you're suggesting is Korpisalo who fell apart in the playoffs, Raanta that can't stay healthy, Lankinen, who is a carrier backup goalie. You're not getting much better value on the market than Gibson for 4mill for 4 years.


Back to deal
Arvidson is in there to make money work
Talbot is in surplus, you can put Phoenix in instead
Byfield is the attraction, if not him it will need to be a first.
Draft picks is to eat salary for 4 years. Maybe remove one of them.

And the reason it makes sense for the kings is the timeline, four years from now Doughty and Kopitar are both done.
As comp: Kuemper was traded to the Avalanche for: 1st, 3rd and a solid prospect(timmins). hehad one year left on the contract and coyotes retained 1 mill. He had truly injury problems in years past and came off season with 0.907 save pct.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 19, 2023 at 6:15 p.m.
Thread: 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>The 2018-19 season was the last time oft-injured 30-year-old John Gibson put up higher than .910 SV%. We'll be looking elsewhere for our goaltender.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GiggywithGibby</b></div><div>You say "often injured" like he isn't available to start 50+ games a season.

Mrazek, Murray, Lehner are examples of often injured goalies. Gibson goes on IR for a few games at a time a couple times a season to deal with wear and tear. His longest IR stint he got his wisdom teeth pulled.</div></div>

He's also consistently one of the most worked goalies the league based on the amount of shots he faces in every game. Locking in above average goalie with elite potential for 4mil AVV for the next four years is going to cost.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 14, 2023 at 11:50 a.m.
Thread: I cant wait anymore
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>I agree. I’d have him as an every night guy in Colorado. The 7th D comment was in response to the original commenter.</div></div>

YEs, my comment was also meant for

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Leafs have NO NHL capable Dmen with the Marlies. Timmins really has the be 7th Dmen with the Leafs, and of course with injuries he's gonna be playing with the Leafs.
Leafs have much more flexibility in moving waiver free forwards up and down with the Marlies
But lets imagine Timmins can't be on the Leafs, I would imagine the Leafs wouldn't trade and take a chance he wouldn't be claimed on waivers. Remember if claimed on waivers, that player has to be stay on the NHL roster or risk being claimed back the Leafs (in this case)</div></div>
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 14, 2023 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread: I cant wait anymore
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>turtlemountain</b></div><div>Full disclosure: I’m probably biased here because I like Timmins.

When healthy, he’s a good enough NHL player at a reasonable enough cap hit. His biggest obstacle has been his health. If he went to waivers, I would imagine that teams would take a chance on a big right shot defenseman who can skate and has a high draft pedigree. If it doesn’t work out, you waive him or bury that contract in the AHL. High upside play.

On the other hand, he’s turning 25 this year and I’m not sure if he’s had a healthy pro season yet. So as much as I like the guy, I do wonder if his value is less than a 4th.

Bringing it back to the Leafs: can they even afford to carry a 7D with the roster they constructed? I could see them valuing a player with more waiver flexibility.

Tricky one</div></div>

Plenty of NHL teams, on which, if healthy Timmins will play as regularly.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 9, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.
Thread: 24 deadline assets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TCMonkey</b></div><div>It doesn't matter if ARI retains. Ottawa needs to create cap space to sign Pinto, giving up an asset to take on more cap is not in the cards.
Now if ARI was willing to take a 2nd and Joseph in exchange there might be a conversation to be had.
Personally, I'd rather take on Motte as a UFA and not give up a pick.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TCMonkey</b></div><div>It doesn't matter if ARI retains. Ottawa needs to create cap space to sign Pinto, giving up an asset to take on more cap is not in the cards.
Now if ARI was willing to take a 2nd and Joseph in exchange there might be a conversation to be had.
Personally, I'd rather take on Motte as a UFA and not give up a pick.</div></div>

It's a deadline deal, so who knows how the cap look like for teams with accruing, LTIR and other trades. I see it more as an example of potential assets coming to AZ at deadline.