Please tell me you're joking.

You’re asking the Blues to gut their defense while taking on an old player at nearly double the cap hit. Making it to where we cannot even try to patch the hole.

Not a knock on Niemela, he’s an ok prospect, but it’d be foolish to think he can have a full season long immediate impact at the NHL level next season. Especially being thrust into a role in which he has to be one of the best shutdown players in the league.

St Louis and Tavares decline.

Brett Pesce is seeking 7x7, And I don't see him signing with any Canadian team.

And good luck thinking that Bertuzzi signs for 4x4, He'd have stayed in Detroit for that low-ball offer.

My dude the blues are not trading Parayko

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH no HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On top of being completely unrealistic (Leafs don’t ask & JT doesn’t waive), pretty putrid for the Leafs. We lose our 2C & 2024 1st for a soon to be 31 year old, overpaid dman with 5 years left on his deal . $6.5M is too much for a guy that is well below average on offense ; defensive dmen don’t get paid that much

Parayko aint worth all that

And JT says no. NMC for a reason

Agreed. And why would we make our 2nd line worse? I like Domi but is a better top 6 winger and 3c. Tavares will resign for less and for the next few years even with declining play is a better 2c than Domi. Parayko does not improve our defense that much to weaker our entire forward crew and lines.

mmm Domi was fine when he played center. Just surround him with the right guys and he's fine. Him doing a bit better on the wing playing next to Matthews is no surprise but it dont mean he better there

His best dmg has come at the C role

And JT's gone. With all the youngsters knocking at the door doubt he's back or if he is 3m or bye. Domi can fill the role fine

It would all depend on how minten develops why I can see Tavares signing around 6 mil. Tavares is better than Domi. I like Domi but he still has big gaps in his game compared to Tavares. Tavares even with cold spells with give a good 65+ pts every year. Domi you look at 45+, and Tavares is better defensively over Domi.
Domi though provides a much different skill set to Tavares and and impressed with him. Tavares if resigned at like 3x6, Domi at 3x (3-4mil) allows time and opportunity for Cowan and minten to develop over the next 2 -3 years that with a rising cap gives us maneuverability. Next year will suck but after that, we can sign Marner at around 12.5 million barely an increase on his current AAV. Tavares we can simply say you want to remain a blue and white then we need a significant lower AAV both term and amount as it is best for the team. Who knows if Tavares really is a team guy maybe he signs for around 3 million. He already signed his north of 10 million

Yea NTU to JT at that contract

JT's slowing down and its time to move on. Faceoffs are great but Domi will cost less and he's younger and has shown he can be a nice 2c with the right guys

Time to move on from JT once that deal's done

there is no way in the world Max Domi can be a 2C on any team unless he's flanked by two great 2 way forwards. He is the very definition of a complimentary piece

Tavares is slowing down yes but makes way better decisions than Domi. Hence why I said a term of about 3 years. Any longer is a big risk to be a huge mistake. Domi is maxed out on his potential whereas Tavares is still very capable of being a 1c. But that being said, I view him similar to Stammer in Tampa. Apparently Tampa is holding out because they want to reduce his term and AAV. I view the same with Tavares. I can see him producing 65+ points over the next 3-4 years but after that his production can drop off significantly. So term is 2-3 years if you want to remain in the blue and white no legacy contract. You want to remain in the blue and white and take less significantly for 2-3 years then sign a Giordano/Spezza deal as a 1-2 year after

And we have a few of those so I dont see the issue with him being our 2c

Dont always have to have Matthews and Marner together

Look at the Pitt game

Domi and Marner were crazy

As if Domi takes a Paul contact rather than pay JT 6m we than got 3m to spend on another forward who can be 2-way to pair with em

Both have been the same. One has been in the league longer so has more experience. But both at times have made bad choices

Stamkos was shifted to the wing and lets be real is a PP merchant. He's good at what he does and in TBL they know how to deploy em. JT has fallen off the PP train compared to last year and when we look at the future of TOR best move is to move on

As said before NTU to bringing back JT we dont need to be wasting cap on an aging guy

Bring back Domi at 3.15m ad then go bring in others to surround em

Bert was never staying in Detroit lol

Look at deployment or advanced stats before making statements. Tavares starts between 40-60 percent of the time in the defensive zone whereas Domi as a center started 80% of the time in the offensive zone. Zone deployment shows Tavares as doing a much better job defensively when both players despite vast differences in defensive deployment show similar defensive metrics. As said Tavares plays much harder assignments over Domi over the entire year and trusting Domi as a 2c without an equivalent 3c will only hurt us.

All can be seen on money puck.

Again NTU.

There are stats and then there is what we can see

Domi was never brought in for defense so put that aside. Again pair him with 2 defensive forwards and he's fine

JT by the end of his deal and the start of his new one will be 35 come September

NTU

Again people just get to caught up in the analytics and metrics like with Edmundson. There is more than just that as we see guys with poor numbers do well in the NHL

Both guys do good and bad in different area's

Leafs once JT is up are wise to move on unless he takes a league min deal but thats very doubtful. Wish him the best but its all part of hockey

I am not getting caught up with analytics as both eye test and numbers are huge with deploying. To say that Tavares between the ages of 34 and 38 will drop off by 40+ plus points and defensively much worse is the same as saying that Domi can be improved defensively through said such metrics. I am stated before if Tavares wants a deal til the age 39, then this is a hugely potential bad deal. But if we was willing for2-3 years, then is can be worth it with the rising salary cap. That caps him at 38. After that league minimum deals..

In the end will leave it with this

Am not interested in paying a 35 year old 6+m or even more than a mill

We have 0 need for an anchor on this team at that time. If this is a sign of JT's play to come and or its gonna get worse NTU

For this team its best to move on end of story

0 need to keep a guy till he's 38 especially at over league min

So Crosby and Ovechkin are anchors? Stamkos is an anchor? Yes most players age out around the age 35, and also we have another year of Tavares. If he drops even more where he only produces like 40 points I would agree with you. We have a year to see what to do with him. I personally don't see Tavares dropping that much, take one bad slide away, and Tavares has been playing at a ppg clip. That slide does show that he could be slipping with his age but also all players have slides. Last year this site was all about Matthews is washed up and doesnt care anymore because he has a down year.

Tavares does not seem to be like he type of player to get 40+ plus point drop in just two seasons. If Crosby wanted to sign with Toronto for one year like next year at around 7 million, it would be very tempting even with the salary cap problems. Pavelski is another good example of a player that is above your threshold still playing at an above level. As a business and as humans, we can't just assume the second you reach 35 you are guaranteed to be washed up. We also need to make sure not to do a Washington and not pay Backlund, Kuznetsov and Wilson deals because of legacy. Tavares has one more year to see if he slides more. If he doesn't, and still come around a ppg clip, we can't assume to be all of a sudden score 40 points or less because of his age. If Tavares does then yes, okay I can see the argument. I will be honest Tavares looks to still be very good and control play not to believe in such a drop off.

Also remember that the cap is expected to be between 97 and 100 million by 2026. That takes Tavares at 6 million to be about 6% cap hit for one more year if that. Right now he is about 12-13%.

If Tavares is capable of producing 55-60 points per year at a 6% cap hit, that's good when Bertuzzi is currently priced at a 6% percent hit and projected to finish at 43-45 points this year.

Many insiders believe he will sign a 6 million or north next year which is a 6-7 percent cap hit.

We have 0 need for a 35+ year old I dont know whats hard to comprehend on that

JT's getting older and for the betterment of this team

Its time to move on

They have 0 need for him once his deal is up they can replace him just fine by then

As said 1000 times over 0 need to be bringing back a 35 year old and giving him 6+ m

Crosby and Ovie have aged well into their deals. Dont be comparing one player to another

Crosby be a unicorn having his best season rn. Despite being past his prime he has not looked it and in fact has gotten better

Meanwhile JT is slowing down but thats to be expected.

Would easily take either of Crosby or Ovie over JT rn especially Crosby

As said before not best to compare their situations to JT.


In the end best to move on

That is your opinion with literally only ageism comments where you are assuming that all 35 and over players drops off significantly and you have yet to provide a good reasoning for why none of these players should ever be played despite countless examples why they should.i would you like to tell capital fans that Ovi should retire for his age and not bother with breaking Gretzky's record. See where that goes. You are assuming we can replace him just fine by then but hat is assuming A Domi hugely improves or B any ufas by then will be willing to sign a 6% cap hit to play for leafs at the age of 29 or so instead of the 8-9% cap hit that lindholms agent is promising he can get Lindholm this upcoming off-season. That cap hit at a projected cap of 97-100 million is about 9 million dollars. So we should let Tavares walk to sign a younger player whom has less to do with TO, produces less overall but younger even though maxed out at a 9 million cap hit?