Far too many goalies on this list going for any kind of first. Knight has a bad contract for not even being in the NHL and not blowing away AHL as an example.

I like Knight enough to take a flier on him. It would probably be conditional but I'd expect knight to play well enough to meet whatever conditions

What has he done in two years to think he would play well enough? The contract alone is a risk.

He's 23 years old and I personally am quite high on him. I understand where you're coming from tho

My biggest worry is he hasn't been the same after his personal assistance away program. Guys deserve a second chance, but it certainly impacts the price, combines with what I mentioned before.

If we can get him cheaper I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it.

Half these guys won’t be available…other half probably aren’t worth the price

Markstrom - late 1st (ish) with retention
Ullmark - late 1st
Swayman - More
Knight - Less

No way binnington is worth the least of all of these goalies

Swayman's price imo is heavily variant on what his contract ask is.

For example I'm expecting 6.75x8.

If he somehow was willing to take 6x8 that imo adds another 1st to his value

But if he won't sign for anything less than 7.5x8 then imo it takes away from his value by about 6 million dollars (or a late 1st).

I'd have different offers depending on different contract requirements. Same with UPL, Oetter, etc.

He has the largest contract out of all of them, is in his 30s, and has had 2 bad years before this good one.

Swayman hasn’t signed yet…if Broons can’t do it, could get interesting

Unless the Avs decide to sign someone in free agency (and there's not all that much that's better than Georgie AND that the Avs could afford), I can't see Georgie being available, no matter what some Avs fans may think. The only way might be if they decided to go uber cheap on goaltending and go after a veteran like Talbot as a 1A to save a mil or two, and hope Annunen can keep stepping up to be a 1B but that would be risky for them.

Also yeah, most will be unavailable, but adding more guys paints a more clear picture of guys around the league.

Everyone thinks their goalie is a lot better/more valuable than goalies around them right up until it comes time to actually name names and explain how "*Insert goalie here* is a top whatever goalie" stands up and how you'd take him over Sorokin Saros Swayman Demko Helley Shesty Oetter Ullmark Vasy

The interesting thing is he realistically only comes available if his contract demands are massive. Which would likely bring down his trade price as well.

Or if boston is really high on ullmark (and the trade market on him isn't strong/he sets up his NTC)

For example:

Ullmark on a 5 mill x 5 year extension and the listed package for Swayman

or
Swayman on an 8x7.25 extension and a 2nd+3rd for Ullmark

On the valuations I'm sure opinions would vary. These are yours and that's cool. I don't think a lot of those goalies would go for firsts however in reality. I mean, it's fine to use a draft pick value (I do it regularly) but most of them would be something akin to a 2nd plus prospect (those that might be in the low 1st round pick value range) or some may be a combination of draft picks like a couple of 2nds or 2nd and 3rd, or else 2nd and roster player or whatever. The other option is the likelihood of some kind of larger package which is how goalies tend to get moved. Very few goalies seem to go for firsts on their own or firsts plus (that said few top goalies get traded). Aside from the Avs getting caught out and then they traded for Kuemper (though it worked out well as it turned out) the last one I can think of as basically purely the goalie for a 1st or 1st plus was Vanek (I think) about 10 years ago unless I missed one somewhere along the way before or since DK.

Oh yeah 100% I agree. Most would involve prospects, roster players, etc whatever adding up. Most goalie trades involve a goalie going back these days as well so I'd expect that.

I generally just used picks as baselines because it's easier to demonstrate value. Everyone can value picks, not everyone knows much about various prospects or players.

Again 100% agree on goalie's rarely fetching 1sts.

Stuart Skinner isn't available. You can have Jack Campbell for free though!

Yeah, I think goalies are probably one of the hardest pieces to value in trades, especially with the pure pick illustration, and especially when it comes to genuine starters. Bar the odd elite one they seem to fluctuate so much in how good they've been (which is also harsh on them because it's a team game and a lot depends on what the guys in front of them do) that it just makes them the most difficult piece to assess imo (and I used to be one though with the caveat of not being anywhere even remotely close to NHL.....I could do the splits across post to post once upon a time though....closest I'll ever come to being mentioned in the same sentence as Hasek or Quick LMAO!) In some respects the valuations may be a little light as you could argue 2nd plus prospect or roster player or other pick is worth more dependent on what the other team wants/needs. Others may end up being a little high. Would take too long to break them all down so I'll just do my guy.......Georgiev I'd think 2nd plus another pick or a lower end prospect the Avs were high on the potential of would probably do it were he to be available.

Yotes would take a 1st for ingy

I think I'd do that on Georgiev. He can give me a bunch of starts, I have faith in him to be an average goalie with some upside there as well, and I'm not locked into expensive term.

The big problem I have is everyone is like "*insert goalie* will fix all of your problems" and EVERYONE thinks their goalie is a guarantee

If a team's goalie is struggling (Sorokin, Vasy, Oetter, Saros) it's a 1 time thing and they'll bounce right back
If a team's goalie is on a heater (Markstrom, Binnington, Daccord, Ingram), then surely this will continue for the next 5 years guaranteed.

Lot of people forget how cheap Georgie is comparatively for a starter playing that many games behind a team who this season have been pretty atrocious defensively imo (which is odd considering the D corps is pretty much the same as the cup winning one or was to start the year at any rate....I really wonder how much EJ's leadership has been missed there but that's another conversation). He's no Vasi etc but he's decent enough IF your team plays at least some effective D in front of him. Agreed on the 'add *x* and you're sorted so we want an egregious overpay for them' mentality. There's also the reverse as well, as we're seeing with some Avs fans with Georgie. 'He's c**p! Trade him for a bag of doritos and a used jock strap!' Always seems to be one extreme or the other lol.

Virtually no goalie is a guarantee short term.

My thought process is cheaper, but still good goalies, short term if you want to go for that approach.

Or the other option is to get a young stud (those are very expensive tho). And even they won't guarantee you top goaltending every year. You're still hoping the goalies highs line up with the teams highs.

I doubt it. We have absolutely nothing in the system besides Hrabal, and he’s no where near ready. Get rid of Ingram and what’s the plan to improve?

That is my hesitation but the plan should extend past ingram, getting a 1st is good value imo