Seattle already has an internal replacement for Schultz in Ryker Evans, so we pass. It looks like Schultz would have been on the trade block at the deadline if Dunn hadn’t been injured

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Wild decline per usual

McDavid for Rossi isn't going to happen

Let's not pretend like any of your trash proposals have been anything close to McDavid for Rossi.

Late 1sts, mediocre prospects, or worse. You fundamentally misunderstand the circumstances under which Rossi is available and refuse to learn or change. You're a troll.

No team is going to give you a top 5 pick. I could see a Necas Rossi swap but you don't have the cap for that

You keep posting strawman returns as if I'm asking for a top 5 pick or McDavid, and you still don't seem to understand the circumstances under which he'd be available.

I'll wait for you to ask nicely.

Pick 18 isn't a late pick, it's a mid pick, Beck is one of the top NHL ready C prospects who has about pick 18 value as well and the Pens 2nd is what 40th (ish, I didnt look it up). If you aren't asking for 5th (which Beck + 18th would be equivalent to) what are you asking?

1) Beck doesn't have that value
2) Beck and the 18th pick don't get you anywhere near a top 5 pick

Not going to entertain another Montreal fans delusions about their assets anymore though. You guys are consistently overvaluing what you have and literally everyone on this site is aware of it.

Go to puckpedia, use their pick value calc for 5th and click "find fair trade" it will tell you that 5 = 18th + 19th but that is about 10 points low so to even it up you have to hit find next fair trade. It will then add pick 35 and balance the trade points. After that go search 2022 nhl redraft and see where the analysts rank Beck (elite prospects ranked him 23rd in June of 2023, and the athletic ranked him 29th in October of 2023) given that his stock has risen even since then, he is absolutely worth about 18th-20th now. These aren't "Habs fans delusions" these are based off actual analysts that scouted and kept tract of these prospects since the draft and a calculator on one of the most well respected hockey sites on the planet. You my friend are the biased "delusional" one since you are basing your response solely on your own opinion.

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Can't respond when you are called out with no foundation left to stand on

Would you guys trade 5 overall for Beck and the 18th pick, if that was something presented to you?

Go ahead and be honest now because everyone who reads this already knows what the answer is.

The difference between what someone would trade 5th for and what the actual value of 5th is called bias.

As a Habs fan, I wouldn't, I also know that it's fair value based on an unbiased source (PuckPedia) it is my own bias that prevents me from making the deal though not the value of the package.

Whatever you want to call it, no one is trading a 5th overall pick for Owen Beck and an 18th overall pick, regardless of what your "unbiased source" says. Not you, not any other Canadiens fan, not any GM in their right mind.

You miss the point, you said you aren't asking for 5th OVA value yet as clearly demonstraded the value package you say is "trash" is equal to that of 5th OVA, so I ask again (which you have now avoided answering twice cause you clearly know the price you are asking is astronomical) if you are not asking for 5th OVA or McDavid type of value, what are you looking for in a return?!

No I didn't



But at this point you and I both know you're being disingenuous here

Rossi isn't available except for a prospect or young player with similar pedigree and upside, but more size/speed/aggression. That is what's been reported.

No, I am asking a genuine question, your arguement should be that there isn't enough quality, not that the value isn't there cause that is a whole different arguement but I believe that is what you mean when you say the "value" isn't there, the value is equal but it is qauntity vs quality. So again, for the 4th time, stop being chicken and answer. What do you think the package for Rossi should be?

You're not being genuine in the slightest because you tried to frame Beck and the 18th as being appropriate for the 5th overall pick and then when I pointed out that you wouldn't even make that deal you proceeded to move the goalposts by putting words in my mouth.

Twice it's been pointed out that you aren't discussing this in good faith, each time you try to move the goalposts to a different talking point. Now answered your question but I'm still a chicken for not answering your question?

Learn to ****ing read.

I didnt move the goalposts at all, I maintained that the value of 5th is equal to that of 18th + 19th + 35 and that Beck had the value of 19th. Just cause something has the same value as something else doesnt mean that that is what someone would take for it. For instance 1000 $1 bills has the same value as 10 $100 bills but you probably wouldn't trade me your 10 $100 bills for my 1000 $1 bills, the value is the same but who wants to count out $1000 in $1 bills? It is a quantity vs quality thing not a value thing. The same as Beck + 18th + 35 vs 7th + 39th, the overall value is equal but the quality of each individual piece is lower, everyone on the planet would rather have 7th + 39th vs Beck + 18th + 35 but its cause of the quality of the individual pieces not because of the overall value of the package, do you understand the difference?

Hate to step into the middle of this one, but I'd argue it's a moot point because the Isles aren't stapling #18OA to Pageau just to move him. His buyout isn't crippling, and if they want to avoid that I think they can do fine trading him with retention and get back a mid-rounder. The buyout is $2.75M/$2.25M in the first 2 seasons; full retention is $2.5M/$2.5M.

Harris and Evans don't do a lot for the Isles - I feel like it's very likely that they could re-sign Mike Reilly for a similar cap hit to Harris, and even with moving Pageau, the Isles have Horvat-Nelson-Cizikas-MacLean down the middle with Barzal, Iskhakov, and others also capable of taking faceoffs if necessary.

Value is determined by a market. A market means buyers and sellers agreeing on a price for something. If there aren't any sellers that would give their 5th overall pick for 18+Beck, then that is not the value of 18+Beck.

That is not the same as saying 100 dollar bills is the same as one hundred dollar bill.

You have to first show me that there are people out there who would trade the 5th overall pick for 18+Beck before you can make the claim that 18+Beck is 100 dollar bills.

I don't care what your half baked website says appropriate value is if there's not a soul on earth who would trade the 5th overall pick for 18+Beck.

Do YOU understand?

Again it is quality vs quantity not value, market sets value absolutely but what you fail to realize is that there are GM's who in the past and will in the future make these types of moves for various reasons. Fedetanko + 2 2nds for 4th OVA in 2002, Kevin Weekes for 5th OVA in 2000. Just cause you wouldnt make those types of moves doesn't mean everyone shares your view and your view doesn't set the values. In fact, no one can even "know" what the actual value is until the pick is traded, we can only know what we would personally trade it for in our own opinions or use an analytical site like PuckPedia to give these picks a relative value and I trust a reputable site like PuckPedia's value over some yahoo fan on CapFriendly who claims to know everything

If you wouldn't trade 5 for 18+Beck, and I wouldn't trade 5 for 18+Beck, and that other Montreal fan earlier wouldn't trade 5 for 18+Beck, and we can't find a single person who would genuinely trade 5 for 18+Beck, why are we operating under the assumption that 18+Beck is equivalent to 5 here?

That should set off alarm bells in your head that maybe your sources and their methodology aren't very good, even if you think they're the best we have.

To wrap this up, 18+Beck doesn't get you Rossi, it doesn't get you anywhere near 5th overall.


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