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Nuke gone

Created by: lapointster
Team: 2024-25 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: May 20, 2024
Published: May 20, 2024
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Not saying either of those trades pan out, I think you could get a team like Buffalo or Toronto who play transition games to take manson. Not even sure i want to get rid of him but i wanted to see what it looked like. This UFA class isnt great for physical defenders, so may be best to keep him.

I think the Avs HAVE to find a way to get rid of Nuke's deal to keep drouin. Also think Landy has made great progress, but still scary. Lots of ?'s
Free Agent Signings
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5$5,900,000
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5$4,750,000
4$4,250,000
1$775,000
1$950,000
2$1,800,000
2$1,100,000
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COL
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (LAK)
CHI
  1. Nichushkin, Valeri
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Throwaway trade, im NOT saying they would say yes or avs do this, i just dont know what realistically happens. Doing this to paint a picture without Val only.
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COL
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (BUF)
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2024
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2025
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$837,500$837,500
G
RFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
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May 20 at 12:01 p.m.
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Nothing is going to happen it’s either a buyout or he’s on LTIR, no team is trading for him.
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May 20 at 12:11 p.m.
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Nichushkin has a full NMC and would reject the trade anyway.
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May 20 at 12:14 p.m.
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Nothing is going to happen it’s either a buyout or he’s on LTIR, no team is trading for him.


I could see a trade with something like 20% retention, a 1st and a decent prospect. Some team might do it knowing that, should he reach level 4, they could then likely terminate his deal. It's a risk some team(s) might be willing to take. Not saying it will happen only that it could under the aforementioned conditions.
May 20 at 12:15 p.m.
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Nichushkin has a full NMC and would reject the trade anyway.


But if it was to a place he thought he could have a fresh start, it could be a possibility. He has to know he's burned his bridges in Colorado so he might want to move on.
May 20 at 12:21 p.m.
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If Landeskog comes back he'll be in the bottom 6. They'll want to shelter his numbers since he hasn't played in two years. Throwing him on the Friday line might not work so well. I've always been against trading Manson, as he's our toughness on the defence. Without him we'll be getting pushed around quite a bit.
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May 20 at 12:34 p.m.
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You’re paying us to take him on
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May 20 at 12:37 p.m.
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Quoting: NMAvsFan
I could see a trade with something like 20% retention, a 1st and a decent prospect. Some team might do it knowing that, should he reach level 4, they could then likely terminate his deal. It's a risk some team(s) might be willing to take. Not saying it will happen only that it could under the aforementioned conditions.


Not happening; he's on his last chance before the NHL terminates him....no team is taking that risk
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May 20 at 1:33 p.m.
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Nothing is going to happen it’s either a buyout or he’s on LTIR, no team is trading for him.

There is zero chance it is a buyout, they aren’t carrying dead cap for a decade plus and getting basically no cap relief.
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May 20 at 1:54 p.m.
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Quoting: NMAvsFan
But if it was to a place he thought he could have a fresh start, it could be a possibility. He has to know he's burned his bridges in Colorado so he might want to move on.



1- this assumes he wants a fresh start
2- didn’t you just say a team’s internet in trading for him has to do with them buying him out ?
Why would he waive to a team he thinks will do that ?

All this just seems very far fetched
May 20 at 2:06 p.m.
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My expectation is that the Avs already have a plan in place to terminate his contract on the grounds of misconduct. I'm sure we'll hear about this this summer but they will want to have an answer (whether he can be terminated or not) by draft day.

The goal of protecting players' contracts was so that they could voluntarily seek help and not have their career ruined. This is good.
Failing a random drug test, the third time in three years you've shown evidence of drug usage to your own team and the NHL, is not voluntarily seeking help.
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May 20 at 3:19 p.m.
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My expectation is that the Avs already have a plan in place to terminate his contract on the grounds of misconduct. I'm sure we'll hear about this this summer but they will want to have an answer (whether he can be terminated or not) by draft day.

The goal of protecting players' contracts was so that they could voluntarily seek help and not have their career ruined. This is good.
Failing a random drug test, the third time in three years you've shown evidence of drug usage to your own team and the NHL, is not voluntarily seeking help.


Pretty sure the rule is, this is his last chance. If he fails another drug test, the NHL not only terminates his contract by he is banned from the league (not sure how long). Colorado can not, by rule, terminate his contract unless he fails rehabilitation again...it's also in-line with US employee protect laws
May 20 at 4:11 p.m.
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Pretty sure the rule is, this is his last chance. If he fails another drug test, the NHL not only terminates his contract by he is banned from the league (not sure how long). Colorado can not, by rule, terminate his contract unless he fails rehabilitation again...it's also in-line with US employee protect laws


i hear what you say it is. And all the experts. I'm expecting that as well. Also, if he fails again, it's a 1 year ban from play along with the automatic contract termination you mentioned.

I said `My expectation is that the Avs already have a plan in place to terminate his contract on the grounds of misconduct`. Whether or not the NHL & PA agrees that it is valid or not is tbd for sure.

I get why the CBA has this in place. It protects the player from being terminated for seeking help, or failing in the process of seeking help. Drug addiction is a lifelong battle. What I'm saying is - why is that in place if the player has never sought help but continues to just break drug policy? Based on how the incidents have occurred, it's not unreasonable to assume that he's just continued to fail drug tests after getting caught with an undocunted eastern european escort while on drugs. It's not that he voluntarily entered the program and is thus protected. He failed a drug test again and was forced to go back into the program. If players like Corey Perry can be terminated midseason for reasons, the Avalanche will probably try. I give them at best a 20% chance at succeeding.

ALSO: the league has to reinstate him. I'm not sure what that means or if it'll even happen now or ever. Super gray all around.
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May 20 at 4:19 p.m.
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i hear what you say it is. And all the experts. I'm expecting that as well. Also, if he fails again, it's a 1 year ban from play along with the automatic contract termination you mentioned.

I said `My expectation is that the Avs already have a plan in place to terminate his contract on the grounds of misconduct`. Whether or not the NHL & PA agrees that it is valid or not is tbd for sure.

I get why the CBA has this in place. It protects the player from being terminated for seeking help, or failing in the process of seeking help. Drug addiction is a lifelong battle. What I'm saying is - why is that in place if the player has never sought help but continues to just break drug policy? Based on how the incidents have occurred, it's not unreasonable to assume that he's just continued to fail drug tests after getting caught with an undocunted eastern european escort while on drugs. It's not that he voluntarily entered the program and is thus protected. He failed a drug test again and was forced to go back into the program. If players like Corey Perry can be terminated midseason for reasons, the Avalanche will probably try. I give them at best a 20% chance at succeeding.

ALSO: the league has to reinstate him. I'm not sure what that means or if it'll even happen now or ever. Super gray all around.


I believe the CBA is 3 strikes in your banned, and this is his 3rd official attempt.

Corey Perry is a different situation as the rumor is he assaulted a employee or sponsor (not clear) at a event in front of others in which he was drinking heavily. If this is true, any type of assault is grounds for termination based on the code of conduct regardless if the victim presses charges or not.

The situation with the lady in the hotel is obviously very sketchy, but who knows if she was a victim or willing participant and being undocumented makes it that much sketchier
May 20 at 4:42 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
I believe the CBA is 3 strikes in your banned, and this is his 3rd official attempt.

Corey Perry is a different situation as the rumor is he assaulted a employee or sponsor (not clear) at a event in front of others in which he was drinking heavily. If this is true, any type of assault is grounds for termination based on the code of conduct regardless if the victim presses charges or not.

The situation with the lady in the hotel is obviously very sketchy, but who knows if she was a victim or willing participant and being undocumented makes it that much sketchier


Yeah, i get that perry was different (and that wasn't directed at you as a hawks fan at all tbh) but i am just guessing the Avs search the code of conduct for any loophole, bc Perry and Galchenyuk and others are incidents related to drugs/alcohol. The only difference to me is that they weren't caught by a drug test, they were caught via their actions while inebriated. And i just find it weird that a player that doesn't enter willingly could be considered the same as one who does. Even if they're just put on perma-LTIR.

It doesn't sound like he is ever going to be allowed back in the locker room, so i think the Avs will do anything and everything if possible.
May 20 at 11:29 p.m.
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Not happening; he's on his last chance before the NHL terminates him....no team is taking that risk


If there's anything I've learned observing pro sports, it's never say "no chance." There's always a chance no matter what us armchair GM's might think.
May 20 at 11:33 p.m.
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Quoting: JustAnotherHockeyFan
1- this assumes he wants a fresh start
2- didn’t you just say a team’s internet in trading for him has to do with them buying him out ?
Why would he waive to a team he thinks will do that ?

All this just seems very far fetched


1. Of course; we assume a lot of things here. But it makes sense for him to want a fresh start; he had to leave the playoffs TWICE and he knows his teammates are, to say the least, not happy with him. \
2. No, I did not say that
May 21 at 12:15 p.m.
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Quoting: NMAvsFan
1. Of course; we assume a lot of things here. But it makes sense for him to want a fresh start; he had to leave the playoffs TWICE and he knows his teammates are, to say the least, not happy with him. \
2. No, I did not say that


Sorry, terminate the deal” not buy him out
Point is, why would he willingly agree to a trade that loses him guaranteed $$ ?
Doesn’t make sense

But whatever
The point is that the Avs have serious Cap issues to figure out this summer, regardless of whether or not their fans on here wanna admit it
 
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