Let's do Necas to Ottawa instead

Canucks pass, no interest in moving Hoglander. take out him and your closer on value. Lindholm stays in Vancouver for 49mil

Pinto, 1st, 2nd, and Jarventie?

Hoglander is the only piece here that would make Carolina do this. The 1st could drop to a 2nd, but Hoglander HAS to be included here

Pinto is way more valuable than anyone in that Vancouver deal, so no. Joseph, Jarventie, Boston pick + 2025 2nd.

As a Canucks fan - yeah, I probably do that. Maybe without the 2nd, though?

4 relatively solid future pieces for one top-6 winger and a guy who has decent potential, but has yet to hit. And Necas WAS only a 53-point guy with middling underlying numbers. Still, I really like him as a top-line option, and he is right in the wheelhouse of the kind of player (age, play style) that Vancouver should pursue.

Feels more likely that Necas goes to a team like San Jose or Ottawa for a package like this, though.

Canucks pass easily. Can find a 2nd line winger for considerably cheaper elsewhere

Joseph's a cap dump for Carolina since there are just 10 other players in the system that could do what he does for much cheaper, would need to have someone like Pinto in the deal to get Carolina's interest.

Yeah I think Vancouver goes elsewhere then. Hoglander had practically had the same amount of goals as Necas without any powerplay time what so ever. At 1.1mil it's almost impossible replace that type of value at that cap hit. No doubt Necas is a good player but if it means losing Hoglander Vancouver looks elsewhere for their top 6 winger

Fair point but that Vancouver trade you acquired two 3rd liners (Hog likely a 2nd liner tho) and two picks which are worse than what the Sens offer and also included Drury lol.

Take out Hoglander and it’s fair value based on other RFA winger trades

Hoglander would be the entire reason for Carolina to do that. Removing him removes Carolina's reason to make this deal

Necas played 3rd line minutes with guys that are not close to the same caliber Hoglander played with, and Necas got very limited PP time on the second unit. He's a top line winger, and it's something the Canucks are crying out for. You're not going to find a better alternative to Necas, especially when Guentzel is re-signed

Having Hoglander for 1.1M is gonna be really important for the Canucks next year. He’s likely gonna be in the top 6 this season and we need another top 6 winger to go along with him. Moving him creates another hole in the top 6 that we can’t replace for the cap hit he’s making

I mean i like necas but its debatable that hes more valuable than pinto at all, let alone a 1st 2nd and our best forward prospect better than pinto

Adding Necas fills a much larger hole, so it opens up a smaller one in the bottom six, but gives you a genuinely scary top six for the first time in a long time

No... Necas is EASILY more valuable than Pinto, stop it. Pinto's career high is what, 35 points? Necas is a 70 point winger, he's quite considerably better

i mean sure you can make that argument. Hes still not a 1st 2nd and our best forward prospect more valuable though lol. Thats completly delusional

He's something close to that in terms of more value than Pinto... trying to argue against that is delusional lmao

Agree with the general sentiment that Necas is better than Pinto, but the open issue is you are not counting the contract he has to sign.

Isn’t that really the ONLY reason you are discussing trading him in the first place. It is a consideration in the value equation here because you would simply let Guentzel go and sign Necas if it wasn’t.

IMO, Necas provides a lot of value. I’d be seeing if Utah would be willing to give up some of their many picks

Carolina can keep both Jarvis and Necas quite easily, in this scenario I've created, just don't sign Lindholm. The reason they'd entertain moving Necas is because he wants out. He's got arb rights to remove an offer sheet threat, he's an RFA so there's compensation and rights regardless. His QO is only 3 mill, so he's not going unqualified. Carolina have all the leverage in any Necas deal. Not to mention, Pinto is also an RFA, so it doesn't take into account the deal he would sign

Don’t think they have to worry about not signing Lindholm anyway. Seems odd to acquire the Eagle and then bury him on the fourth line and trade Necas at the same time.

Also I thought your team was trying to sign Jarvis long term as opposed to giving him a bridge contract?

Do you think Pesce signs for that or takes a bigger payday elsewhere?

Pesce wants term. Kuznetsov's fine in a depth role, but he can't play top six minutes. The problem is now, Carolina have two centers for each of the bottom six roles and it's problematic. No 2C, but 4 3C's.

Jarvis is getting bridged, why wuld they sign him long term? They need as much cap room as they can get this summer, and the best way to do that is bridge Jarvis.

Pesce wants term over more money, which is the big factor. He might get a larger AAV offer somewhere, but I doubt it'll be at the term he wants

Ok. I’ve been under the impression that the primary reason Necas is available is because they don’t want to allocated long term money to him and would rather invest in both Guentzel and Jarvis. Probably the wrong impression, but definitely one that I have from listening to the podcasts

NYR got a low return for Buchnevich cause nobody wanted to pay him 5.8m. Necas return will be in the middle of that & this, certainly not this