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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 27 at 2:16 p.m.
Thread: Buch to Col
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>I would agree that the team needs a little more direction. I know FO wants to stay competive, but if we trade Buch this years. Draft top 10 next year we should be set by the time Thomas and Kyrou are at their prime.</div></div>

For the record, I don't think this makes the team more competitive than it is currently, and I don't think this team is very competitive. That 3rd line is a mess on the ACGM above. And it's alot of youth in Bolduc and Snuggerud in important scoring positions.

I constructed the lines as following:
Neighbors - Thomas - Snuggerud : This is a much worse top line than we currently have. But it's also alot more direct and will allow for Thomas to use his creativity more without having someone else on the line try and tic-tac-toe it every time. More direct.

Bolduc - Schenn - Kyrou: This is going to be extremely inconsistent. Scoring ability for sure, but inconsistent compete + production. Goal is to start to move Schenn down the line and see if bolduc is someone that can hold down a top 6 spot in the near future/gives scoring opportunities for a younger player to grow.

Saad-Hayes-Johansen: Very slow very boring line that you probably wont even notice is on the ice most nights. But it's 2 big bodied vets and a guy who can stretch the ice. Ideally I'd trade any of them, but it's not a necessity. Just place holders moreso, and vets so we aren't a complete young team.

Walker-Sunny-Toropchenko: I really like this line everytime I watch a game. They are always noticeable and active even if their scoring isn't fantastic. I personally like this line more than the 3rd line.

Byram obviously has the ability to become 1st pairing guy but with his concussion history there is real risk. Only reason I think the Avs would consider moving him. Parayko is Parayko.

Leddy- Faulk: Much less need for this pairing to be sheltered than Krug/Faulk. Could really help ease up the usage on Parayko, but i wouldn't consider them a matchup line by any means.

Krug-Kessel: Kessel was ok, and ok is completely fine. This line is going to need sheltered, any line with Krug will. If this is your 3rd pair you can live with it. Ideally of course you find a way to move Krug, but i'm not sure how that works.

For reference, if Buch were a year or two younger or we were a year or two further along in our development curve I wouldn't even consider this trade. And yes trading him to Colorado sucks. But given we aren't planning to be overly competitive for at least 2 years I don't see a real issue in doing it. Now I am aware that there's a good possibility that Colorado could extend Buch if Landeskog retires and he would be a real pain in the ass to watch win with Colorado, but i'm fine with that. I'd much rather take a gamble on Byram's health and get a late 1st than take a gamble on two late 1sts and a prospect panning out. This could potentially push the window into a more clear spot in 2 years than what it would be if we traded Buch for most strictly futures. If Byram doesn't pan out, or has another concussion it's a risk i'm willing to take given the potential reward.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 4 at 3:07 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesReport18</b></div><div>Yeah I agree I think everything started when contract negotiations fell through with Pietrangelo. That led to the Faulk trade and all of these other poor defensive moves happening. Looking back, I was a huge fan of all 3 of Walman, Dunn, and Fabbri. To me, Walman has always been the same player, it wouldn't have mattered if he was 22 or 27 he was pretty much ready for an NHL role but then got passed over for Dunn, who had a higher ceiling. They are different dmen though and I remember for a few games that they played together, Walman and Parayko looked great. The Blues expect perfection from their young defenders but have no accountability for their veteran defenders. That should really be flipped, you should put your young defenders with a veteran defender expecting the young guy to make mistakes and the vet to cover for him, the Blues want the opposite.

With Dunn, that was just a blunder. The blues hated his style of holding the blue line defensively. It worked 95% of the time, but the 5% of the time it didn't work, it led to a breakaway. The Blues couldn't handle this and yet on Seattle Dunn does the same thing and is still excellent at doing it. The only difference is Seattle encourages him to do it and they have Larsson there for the 5% of times that Dunn gets burned.

You're probably right about Fabbri, but I'll never understand why they didn't get more for him. At the end of the day it's a business, if Army couldn't get more for Fabbri, he should've tried harder to make it work in St. Louis. A lot of times Army is just being nice to the player which hurts the team.</div></div>

I'm not sure he could really ask anything for Fabbri. He was an absolute mess defensively. He didn't have the same jump he had pre-injury but tried to play like it. Always loved Fabbri as the player, but man that injury was brutal. He was getting scratched every other game here. That's one thing that's very admirable about Army. He will do everything in his power not to ruin a guy's career, even if it means taking a bit of hit in a trade.

Dunn was one of my favorite players while he was here and it stemmed back to his fight in the minors down the tunnels. And yeah I'd agree it's a philosophical thing for the team on why he didn't work out here. Although he was still pretty good here, he just wasn't what he is in Seattle.

Walman did get a bit of a runway you're right. But he didn't get much. I think we all just overlook how stabilizing Bouwmeester is and how unready Parayko was at that time to be the stabilizer on a pair.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1 at 8:53 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 19 at 4:53 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BluesReport18</b></div><div>Fair but in the Meier deal San Jose took quantity over quality. They got a TON in return for him. Nothing that would scream first liner but still a lot of important pieces for a team. I think if I was looking at a one for one comparison of the trades it would be something like:
To Vancouver:
Buch = Meier
Kap 50% retained = all the AHL players that got moved from San Jose to New Jersey
To St. Louis:
Podkolzin = Zetterlund
Woo = Okhotiuk
Brzustewicz = Mukhamadullin
2024 1st
2025 2nd

Again, that's a TON. I feel like they would almost rather lose Lekkermaki than all that but maybe not. I would take the above offer as the Blues as well if they want to go the quantity over quality approach.</div></div>

I think they likely took the quantity over quality because nobody is willing to give up their top prospects. I agree with your breakdown of a trade comparable though (Kuzmenko would have to be involved or moved elsewhere without any cap coming back). You need to factor in that Meier was 26 at the time of the trade turning 27 in October plus 50% retention (retention could be offset by the remaining year on Buch though) and Buch is 28 turning 29 in April.

Canucks would prefer the package you suggested over giving up Lekkerimaki though it might be too rich of package for them still. It would potentially be dependent on what type of return they can get for Kuzmenko in a separate deal. If they can actually get something of value there then this is a little more palpable.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 19 at 4:38 p.m.