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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 10, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
Thread: Trying to make some sense
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>I listen to other peoples opinions, but i strongly disagree with this one. I've been very clear on here that I want Calgary to acquire Eichel but you dont do that by trading your current 1C, your current top top pair RD and a bunch of futures.

If you think this team is better with Eichel and Gudbranson in the top 4 than Monahan and Andersson then fine but you dont fill in holes by making a bigger one somewhere else</div></div>

Just my opinion but our hole at the forward position is a long festering giant gash. sure losing andersson sucks and does create a weaker defensive line but if you dont like gudbranson as second pairing then mix one of mackey or kylington into the bottom pair and make gudbrason the 7th d-man. my point is the flames and sutter apparently have put their money on gudbranson being atleast serviceable otherwise why would they sign him for close to 2 million. he wont be riding the bench all season you can almost guarantee that.

Andersson is our current top pair defenseman but he sure didnt play like that last season
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 10, 2021 at 6:08 p.m.
Thread: Trying to make some sense
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensibleguy</b></div><div>CGY
Brännström, Erik
Brown, Connor
2022 2nd round pick (TBL)
OTT
Monahan, Sean
CGY
Eichel, Jack
BUF
Brown, Connor
Brännström, Erik
Andersson, Rasmus
2022 1st round pick (CGY)
2023 1st round pick (CGY)

You need anything else from Ottawa to acquire Eichel? 😂</div></div>

Ottawa is acquiring Monahan. If you disagree with the evaluation on the value for Monahan that's fine. What Calgary does with the assets they receive from Ottawa is none of Ottawa's business. as the title reads I'm trying to make some sense of the reason Calgary currently has 9 defensemen under contract to start the season. the way I'm doing that is positing that Anderson (Calgary's most valuable piece on defense) is what Buffalo is asking for. In order to make the money work Monahan needs to be shipped out. Ottawa is weak at the centre position. Monahan fills that role
Forum: Fauteuil - DGSep. 2, 2021 at 6:07 p.m.
Thread: montreal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>It also leaves us with 0 1st round picks in a very very deep draft, one in which we host. Also Gallagher has as much value as Monahan so that would be a 1 for 1 and Evans and Poehling are good enough to fill the 3 and 4 holes anyway so Dvorak would be a moot point.

Edit** Also we are adding 10 Mil in cap to avoid paying KK 6 mil or trading for Eichel. Makes perfect sense.</div></div>

Both Monahan and Dvorak are better than 3rd line forwards. Monahan is borderline 1st line so no you are not filling the same holes/roles with evans or poehling. also Gallagher is not comparable to Monahan. in roughly the same amount of games played over their careers Monahan has 439 points Gallagher has 357. and before you bring up monahans last 2 seasons he was injured for the majority of those seasons.

youare adding 10 mil in cap for 2 players instead of 1. sure you could go for eichel but that's not the point of AGM. in this scenario Eichel isn't going to Montreal

Like is said this would be an all in for the cup move. those types of moves typically involve trading away draft picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 2, 2021 at 5:59 p.m.
Thread: the ideal move if kk is gone
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>It's always entertaining to see two posts like this side-by-side.</div></div>

the thing is they are both somewhat wrong.

Chabotrrorr clearly doesnt watch the flames play. Monahan has declined in temrs of points but he has improved defenisvely and he has played through som pretty tough injuries the past two seasons. a healthy monahan is worth a lot more than the offer above. one big thing is i dont think flames are trading monahan for futures if he gets traded it will be for roster players who can help the team now.

Cjets is kinda right in that the above trade doesn't meet what the flames are looking for and wouldn't make sense for the flames in their current position with no replacements at any position coming back but there is certainly some interest from the flames in trading monahan and a package like the above would be a start but remove some of the prospects and picks and send over a roster player.

Now i could see the flames doing this trade if it was part of a three-way to get Eichel but that would require buffalos input on whether or not they value some of the prospects included in the trade above.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2021 at 5:14 p.m.
Thread: Eichel Who
fair enough. bit of an overpay for Dvorak seems to be the consensus. I was just basing that on the rumor that Arizona is looking for an A prospect and a 1st for him.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Backlund’s best at 3C in a shutdown role at this point, he provides incredibly consistent offense, but unfortunately it’s consistently 15-20 goals, ~45 points, which isn’t great for a 2C. So if we trade Monahan, we need another centre (either Eichel or Dvorak). I know Dvorak hasn’t even hit those numbers but he still has upside so that’s what would be betting on (as well as supplementing our depth with DeBrusk and our future with a 1st from Boston). So yeah not a huge fan of these trades (ideal version of this with the players involved for me would be 1st+Studnicka+DeBrusk for Monahan and Dvorak for two 2nds) but in theory it’s not terrible I guess. These lines seem pretty good if they want to shake up the room by trading Monahan in a non-Eichel package (especially if we get Studnicka for the 4C, he has higher upside than Gawdin). We could realistically get 90-100 goals from the top line, probably 60-70 from the 2nd line, 50-60 from the 3rd line, and hopefully the 4th line (with Pitlick not Lewis) can contribute like 25. This is assuming a pretty average season from everyone, no real breakouts. With Sutter bringing a lockdown defense we could be reasonably competitive.</div></div>

100% agree
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.
Thread: Just do it already Tre
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>InTreWeTrust</b></div><div>So then essentially your cost to acquire Eichel is everything you listed above + another 1st rounder and Lucic. That is a crazy overpay.</div></div>

no....... the cost to keep all of tkachuk, gaudreau and mangiapane and add eichel is a 1st rounder + lucic + the trade above.

i also never said i would agree to the trade that the OP proposed as i think that it is already an overpay for eichel. i was just solving your question of where we would get the money to re-sign some of our top free agents next season.

Flames will have to sacrifice in some areas in order to get Eichel but Eichel is a generational player would could in theory make this team a contender. Treliving has spent his entire tenure in calgary being very safe and hoarding draft picks. if the flames organization wants to compete they are going to have to take some risk on big ticket player who will improve the roster. if it fails then great move on a rebuild. if it succeeds we could be competitive for the nest 3-4 seasons. this wasting away in mediocrity thats been going on for 17 years needs to end at some point. and im sorry but coleman is not the answer that is gonna push this team into contender status. Eichel could be that guy
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 30, 2021 at 1:30 p.m.