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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2018 at 7:23 a.m.
Thread: Let's all pretend this is possible, OK? Nylander+Draisaitl+Trouba
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Leafs are in semi win now mode. None of those pieces help the Leafs. Unless a capable Dman coming back in the trade, the Leaf say no. And certainly the Leafs would have no need for Perrault
In many ways I like that Oiler trade. Oilers get rid of lots of cap..and will have to spend it later to wisely to get back to the playoffs.
Lucic has a NMC. While you might waive it to go to some teams like the NYR, I just don't think he would agree to flipped again to a bottom feeder like Montreal.
I like the concept of the Jets trade to help the Jets with their cap space next year.</div></div>

Thanks for the comment!

Yeah that Nylander trade is subject to change, kinda just threw something together vs thinking it out.

What if Skjei was involved? What would be a reasonable counter offer in a Skjei-Nylander deal?

Thanks! I figured the best thing for EDM is to open up $$$ for 2019 FA and to fix Chiarellis mistakes lol! Lucic probably doesn't waive to MTL, just sent him there bc I've seen a few times that MTL would be interested ?‍♂️I'm sure there's a team that'd take him @ $2.5 out there!

O yea, if WPG is trading Trouba than they've gotta be able to also rid themselves of Perrault for that extra $$$ to re-sign Connor, Laine, Etc etc
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 23, 2018 at 7:19 a.m.
Thread: Let's all pretend this is possible, OK? Nylander+Draisaitl+Trouba
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SammyT_51</b></div><div>First of all sorry I just watched that trade and written. Second of all.. taking to the account our money situation we would have circa 2mil in cap space when all of the triplets are signed. Nylander gets 6.5 per so we could possibly get back 8.5 million. NYR has no elite RHD. They have Shattenkirk but he is more less RH Gardiner and after Gardiner signing with some team it would be even paying wise same. I dont think NYR would want to part ways with Pionk so he would not be in the deal. Remember.. Nylander can get to Kucherov's level in year or two, he is that great but is in shade of JT, AM and MM. In this way.. there is need to have 1st rounder, then player who is going to be instead of Nylander in his place in the roster who has top-line ceiling and can play right now (Lias Andersson or Buchnevich take your pick or send Kravtsov and take the last part out which wouldve been top D prospect) and a NHL ceiling D prospect. You maybe dont see it but Nylander is one of the few players ever to have two 60pts seasons before even his ELC ended. He has both defensive and offensive abilities on the highest level, great shot, great skating, elite puckhandling and ability to play C on top line level but his main position is RW. He is superstar in every meaning of the word.</div></div>

Now this is a real good response! Thank you!

So I do agree that Nylander is in the shadows of MM, AM, and JT, for sure, but I do believe we can field an offer that works for both sides.

I'm gonna think on this one a bit and get back to ya.

Lot to digest before a counter offer can be correctly made.

Thanks for the comment! Definitely helped a lot!
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 30, 2018 at 1:43 p.m.
Thread: Here to help Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>"Fantasy Summary
A sturdy two-way defenseman who supports the play well and could be capable of moderate contributions in the NHL."

This says first pair and better than Foote? Nooo, it says capable of moderate contributions...LMAO..great job though! I win!

Here's Foote's scouting report from the same site:

"Fantasy Summary
The large coveted right-shot defender, Foote is capable of becoming a top-pairing defenseman with a moderate-high offensive ceiling, and exceptional peripheral statistics."
There ya go, black and white...COVETED RIGHT SHOT DEFENDER...TOP-PAIR = I win!

Fowler isn't Lindholm's parter...Josh Manson is...before that it was Sammy Vatanen....know why? come ooon sure ya do...cause their RHD! LOL Nice try though
So Phily's D is good?? lol...who is the great RHDman on their squad? Right, there isn't one...as I said NO BETTER OPTION...and as I said QUALITY D core...Phily's D sucks! Nice try though
Shatty never played top pair when the Blue's D was good...he would only play on the PP...nice try though
Bottom line, youre grasping at straws and proving my point...but thank you...I win again!

No, Cal Foote is not a generational talent, but Libor Hajek is? Foote's projected as top pair dman! Again, on our roster only Miller has that potential (LHD lol)! You really need to get a grip on who the Rangers actually have on their squad, stop taking advice from Sam Rosen! Saying we already have 25 d men so I won't add Foote when he's rated better than all of the dmen on your squad is...just plain dumb! You can move any one of the d on your team later on...duh lol

I didn't say I wouldnt take Volkov or Raddysh in a vacuum...I said I wouldn't take them over Foote because their not top end talent compared to Foote who is. You keep buzzing over that FACT! And you still haven't found me anything that says either of them are top 6 talent. Let me save you some time...you won't, because they aren't! lol I win!
Their third line, filler players who might make the second line if their on a bad team. That's what you want to rebuild with? That's what you want to pass on a top pair RHD for???? Your smoking!

LOL WHAT!?!? Sure it matters, why bother having a draft then? That's the worst comment youve made yet! LMAO Yes, you can get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle, but compare it to how many players DON'T make it from the 2nd round on...and the overwhelming numbers speak for themselves! Derek Stepan is an elite talent? That's your example? Using an exception to try and establish a rule just doesn't work...stop lol. Nice try though!

Again, there's lots of other places to add forward prospects, and again I'd argue the Rangers already have more "sure thing" forwards than they do Dmen....which was made obvious by this years draft! Facts, I win again!
If you have a chance to get a blue chip top pair RHD, you do it all day! What is the value of top pair d men? Look at their contracts, look at what is traded away to get one of them! Their value is through the roof right now, comparable to maybe only 1C's...pay attention! lol Watch what Justin Faulk pulls in when he's traded! Look at what Doughty just signed for....lets see Raddysh get a contract like that lmao!!!

Ryan McDonagh isn't a forward lol. You said scoring depth being homegrown, we already have that anyway...this still doesn't add up to a reason not to trade for Foote. Nice try though...

And I was telling YOU, that you apparently haven't done any research yourself, because your opinion about the players doesn't come close to what the experts have already said...black and white...easy to find! Again, stop drinking the Rangers blue coolaid because you heard Joe Micheletti say something on air about how good Libor Hajek is! LOL</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>"Fantasy Summary
A sturdy two-way defenseman who supports the play well and could be capable of moderate contributions in the NHL."

This says first pair and better than Foote? Nooo, it says capable of moderate contributions...LMAO..great job though! I win!

Here's Foote's scouting report from the same site:

"Fantasy Summary
The large coveted right-shot defender, Foote is capable of becoming a top-pairing defenseman with a moderate-high offensive ceiling, and exceptional peripheral statistics."
There ya go, black and white...COVETED RIGHT SHOT DEFENDER...TOP-PAIR = I win!

Fowler isn't Lindholm's parter...Josh Manson is...before that it was Sammy Vatanen....know why? come ooon sure ya do...cause their RHD! LOL Nice try though
So Phily's D is good?? lol...who is the great RHDman on their squad? Right, there isn't one...as I said NO BETTER OPTION...and as I said QUALITY D core...Phily's D sucks! Nice try though
Shatty never played top pair when the Blue's D was good...he would only play on the PP...nice try though
Bottom line, youre grasping at straws and proving my point...but thank you...I win again!

No, Cal Foote is not a generational talent, but Libor Hajek is? Foote's projected as top pair dman! Again, on our roster only Miller has that potential (LHD lol)! You really need to get a grip on who the Rangers actually have on their squad, stop taking advice from Sam Rosen! Saying we already have 25 d men so I won't add Foote when he's rated better than all of the dmen on your squad is...just plain dumb! You can move any one of the d on your team later on...duh lol

I didn't say I wouldnt take Volkov or Raddysh in a vacuum...I said I wouldn't take them over Foote because their not top end talent compared to Foote who is. You keep buzzing over that FACT! And you still haven't found me anything that says either of them are top 6 talent. Let me save you some time...you won't, because they aren't! lol I win!
Their third line, filler players who might make the second line if their on a bad team. That's what you want to rebuild with? That's what you want to pass on a top pair RHD for???? Your smoking!

LOL WHAT!?!? Sure it matters, why bother having a draft then? That's the worst comment youve made yet! LMAO Yes, you can get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle, but compare it to how many players DON'T make it from the 2nd round on...and the overwhelming numbers speak for themselves! Derek Stepan is an elite talent? That's your example? Using an exception to try and establish a rule just doesn't work...stop lol. Nice try though!

Again, there's lots of other places to add forward prospects, and again I'd argue the Rangers already have more "sure thing" forwards than they do Dmen....which was made obvious by this years draft! Facts, I win again!
If you have a chance to get a blue chip top pair RHD, you do it all day! What is the value of top pair d men? Look at their contracts, look at what is traded away to get one of them! Their value is through the roof right now, comparable to maybe only 1C's...pay attention! lol Watch what Justin Faulk pulls in when he's traded! Look at what Doughty just signed for....lets see Raddysh get a contract like that lmao!!!

Ryan McDonagh isn't a forward lol. You said scoring depth being homegrown, we already have that anyway...this still doesn't add up to a reason not to trade for Foote. Nice try though...

And I was telling YOU, that you apparently haven't done any research yourself, because your opinion about the players doesn't come close to what the experts have already said...black and white...easy to find! Again, stop drinking the Rangers blue coolaid because you heard Joe Micheletti say something on air about how good Libor Hajek is! LOL</div></div>

Holy crud dude we've gotta stop with these long replies.

When you say "I win" reminds me of when I was in elementary school whenever anyone won anything they'd yell "I win!" Like really dude ?? it's a fantasy website not TSN ??

Anyways back to the conversation(and I'll try to keep it short)

You starting off with "fantasy summary" is perfect because of the word fantasy. They're all prospects and no matter what they're projected to be. So why add more prospects to your strength vs add to your weakness(strength and weakness in numbers not quality). I mean Christ man people thought RNH was gonna be a stud and he just turned into a 2C.

Philly's D is so bad that they made the playoffs (3rd seed) despite playing in the best division in hockey...right

Right so when their D got good it was Parayko-Pietrangelo who were both, wait for it, righty's!

Dude I think Cal Foote is good n all, but top 2 dmen aren't just given away in a contract dump if that's what you're trying to pass on. Kids good n all, but in this cap dump trade I made in this AGM were not getting Cal Foote. Already said before that I'd take him if we could get him cheap. You don't have to sell me on him. Like if we sent Namestnikov back to TBL in this AGM and it got us Cal Foote + Volkov/Raddysh I'd be down, but right now as it stands we need forwards.

Don't recall Sam Rosen every mentioning 25 dmen...or the 18 from before...or dmen in general tbh

Ok here's a 2nd round example: Nikita Kucherov. Better than before? Clearly you didn't understand me. Yeah it doesn't matter where players are drafted, it matters where they end up. Nail Yakupov was projected first overall, taken first overall, and thought to be this top line guy. Does that really matter anymore? No, it doesn't, because he busted. Zetterberg was a 6th rounder. Does it matter? No, because he had a great career and every team passed up on him more than once. That's why draft number doesn't really matter to me. It's what they do with their career that matters. Before you wet yourself I'm not downplaying prospects being blatantly better than others, moreso saying that anyone can become a great player, regardless of where they're drafted.

Cal Foote blue chip prospect? i think he could be someday, but blue chip is more like Miro Heiskanen, Eeli Tolvanen, Elias Pettersson, Andrei Svechnikov, etc etc.

That's where I made my mistake. I should've said that I like my players homegrown instead of scoring depth(brainfart on my part) meaning it's nice to see our players homegrown with the team, not just scoring depth. Like how WPG has don't it mostly.

I'll trust the experts the day that Nail Yakupov is a PPG player ??

When did Micheletti mention Hajek? I think Hajek is a good player and prospect from watching him during the Memorial Cup and during the WJC.

Same reason I like Volkov(seen him many times live in the AHL) Raddysh I haven't seen live, but have seen some of his games on TV.

Tried to keep it short for ya
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2018 at 8:14 p.m.
Thread: Here to help Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>LOL BRO... saying we have x amount of defenseman in the organization is like saying you have too many tires for your car because you have four! every team at every level has to field 6 defenseman, wth? You act like some of them are going to be playing forward because we dont have enough wingers on the roster! lol Obviously the Rangers didn't care about how many d men they had in their system based on their draft this year, what do you think that means? There's room for improvement, period!

DeAngelo was drafted in 2014...tic toc...Neil Pionk an undrafted free agent, and John Gilmour 198th overall in 2013 were played over him! But hey, he's great! What do I know? Even at his best, he is far from a first pair d man so no he isn't worth talking about when comparing the organizations top d men. I said he was a bust <strong>last season</strong>...what would you call his season, a success? Even still, he is much closer to bust than NHL'er...if you don't see that then I don't know what youre watching...but you might want to take off the Rangers blue tinted glasses...

Miller looks promising...no doubt, but once again he is a LHD. Before saying Libor Hajek projects better than Foote....do some research yourself. You can't find me a single clip or scouting report that supports that, you know why? Because no expert has said that. If all goes well, Hajik will be an awesome second pair follow up to your top pair...on the LEFT SIDE, since he is a LHD! <a href="Yes..LHD/RHD">Yes..LHD/RHD</a> matters! You can't just throw a bunch of names on a roster and think "go get em...they'll figure it out". This isn't roller rink hockey lol.

Yes, some teams will play ONE d man out of the six on their off side...they do that when they HAVE NO CHOICE because there are no better options. Better yet, tell me what team with a quality defense group does that with their top pair please? Yes, the answer is none...correct. Soooo, why would you want to handicap a team you are rebuilding piece by piece... by playing guys on their off side when you could make a trade for a top pair RHD?? Oh, because they already have 25 defenseman, sorry I forgot! So I guess if Karlsson decides he wants to sign with the Rangers we should pass...too many D men on the roster...kick rocks Erik!

On the topic of research, before you jump to conclusions..you may want to study up on your own guys, because I know I did long before posting a reply. Neither of those guys are rated as top line talent, in some scouting reports not even a top 6 forward...never were, go take a look for yourself lol. But since you never bothered to do this in the first place, we can make it even easier. Foote was drafted what? 14th overall, Volkov? 48th overall in the same draft as Foote. And Raddysh? 58th overall the year before...facts!..why? One projects as top end talent...the others project as middle/bottom six wingers. Now granted, these guys are all prospects...nobody knows what the future holds, but experts and teams make educated guesses! Tampa refused to make him part of the trade for McDonagh, what does that mean? But, they were willing to give up Howden instead...who btw went 27th overall in the same draft as Raddysh and who projects higher than both of them...just saying.

You prefer scoring depth be home grown?...like Raddysh and Volkov would be? LOL you make no sense! Is this a troll?? You win! lol</div></div>

What are you going on about ??buddy no one needs 25 dmen so why would we add more ??

There's always room for improvement, but there are three parts to a team, Forwards, Defense, and Goaltending. We're well stacked up on D and G so it's time for forwards.

Dmen are late bloomers, give TDA a chance, plenty of Undrafted players have become good, plenty of later rounders have gotten good. Players don't develop overnight genius.

Hajek 1: <a href="https://www.google.com/amp/s/dobberprospects.com/libor-hajek/amp/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/amp/s/dobberprospects.com/libor-hajek/amp/</a>

2: <a href="https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/prospects/libor-hajek/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.thedraftanalyst.com/prospects/libor-hajek/</a>

Just some notes here^^^

Brendan Smith is a Lefty who plays the right side dude...I mean he aint as good as he used to be, but there's an example right there of a LH that plays RHD...

Here ya go:

ANA: Fowler-Lindholm
<a>PHI:Provorov-Gostisbehere</a>
STL/: Shatty/Parayko-Pietrangelo (RHD's)
VGK: Theodore-Schmidt
All I got off the top of my head^^

Hey man if EK wants in with the Rangers I'm moving defenseman to bring him in. Not just adding him to the 25-list. There's a big difference between generational talents and prospects...Cal Foote is a good player, not a generational talent.

Yeah Volkov and Raddysh are for sure not elite talent, but Top 6 is good enough for what we already have. You mentioned Chytil, Anderson, Buch, Zib and now Kravstov. Add one of or both of Volkov and Raddysh and you've got some good lookin top 6 guys.

Doesn't matter where anyone was drafted. Players bust in the first round all the time, as with other rounds. Rangers found Stepan 52 OA, so why is 48OA or 58OA so different? Not to mention Lundqvist in 7th round.

I'm not downing Foote, he's real good, I just am going to say again that we need to add more forwards to our prospect mix.

Homegrown as in rookies with the team vs acquiring them after their rookie season, to again, watch them grow with the team I.e Ryan McDonagh

I was telling you to research the prospects not to do more research like I'm your school teacher trying to demoralize you ??
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 29, 2018 at 6:44 p.m.
Thread: Here to help Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>I respect your opinion, but we really don't have the D, just not sure where you are getting that from. DeAngelo was a bust last year and played in Hartford, it's doubtful at this point that he even makes the team when we had Gilmour and Pionk playing over him. Even if he makes the team, he most definitely isn't a 1st pair shut down d man! With the exception of Miller IF he pans out, not a single one of the D men in the system has the upside of Foote, and none of them are right handed. How is it not worth trading for a piece you don't have on the roster? Someone has to play right D, so how can you say regardless of handedness?...if you don't have the right piece, why not trade for it?

Neither of the prospects you pointed out as scorers have the upside of Foote either, so your saying leave the more talented player on the table for the sake of taking a forward? I would argue that with Buch, Chytil, Kravstov, Mika etc etc...we have more high end forwards than D men! And it is waay WAY easier to pick up scoring depth in free agency than it is to pick up a true 1st pair RHD, this is a fact! Yes, I know Karlsson is free in a year, I'll believe it when it happens...</div></div>

Bro we have 25 defenseman within the organization.

DeAngelo is not a bust. Dude was here for one season, give the guy a chance.

Not sure that's true. K'Andre definitely looks really good, but Hajek certainly be double the player Foote cold be if properly groomed.

Foote is a good player, and should be an NHLer one day, but there is not a shot I'm trading for another Dman right now. Unless one falls on our lap for cheap of course.

Also something to be said about swapping d prospects of something. Maybe send Lindgren back to TBL in this deal to upgrade for Foote or something, but I'm def not adding a Dman.

Plenty of teams don't run 3RHD and 3LHD. You don't necessarily need to have 3 RHD, sure it's ideal, but not necessarily going to destroy your team if you don't.

Before saying neither of those forwards have upside please read over their scouting reports from this past year and do some stat researching on them too. These two could very well be top 6 forwards with 50-60+ PPY potential

Idk. Hard to judge which dmen are high-end. Any of our dmen can be high end prospects if they reach their peak properly.

I prefer scoring depth be home grown I.e. Calle Jarnrok in Nashville. It's just nice to see your young players develop and be used in the future instead of constantly seeing them moves like we have in the past years(kinda why I want Duclair back).

We'll see what happens. Possibilities are endless, but I think they'll be conservative unfortunately ?‍♂️?‍♂️
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2018 at 6:02 p.m.
Thread: Here to help Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SuprDave45</b></div><div>We have enough RHD men? Where, who?! Foote is a lot closer than any of the dmen in the Rangers system, and he is certainly rated higher than any of the RHD that they've drafted or picked up recently. You must be referring to the d men in the system in general:

Day is a LH shot
Hajik is a LH shot
Miller is a LH shot
Rykov is a LH shot
Lindgren is a LH shot

Lundkvist and Pionk are really your only two young RH shot dmen even worth mentioning. Foote projects as a true top pair physical, shut down dman according to experts, something the Rangers haven't had on the right side for God knows how long (Beaukaboom?). At best, we can hope that Lundkvist is a top 4, and Pionk has only looked as good as he has because of how bad our defense has looked in comparison. In either case, Foote is sure to outclass them both. and is more of an elite level player than both Volkov &amp; Raddysh.

I still don't see why the Coyotes would be interested in Coburn if the Rangers retain 1.5m on an expiring contract for a third rounder, but then wouldn't be interested in taking him off of Tampa's hands for 6 pucks and some old skates. The Coyotes don't have cap issues and aren't really in a position to be giving away picks for filler d men...there just isn't a lot of logic here.</div></div>

Read closely on the Coburn trade and you'll see I wrote to a playoff contender. Didn't 100% say to the Coyotes.

DeAngelo not worth mentioning? It's a valid point on the RHD front, but it's not worth trading for another defenseman, regardless of handedness, when we need offense. Raddysh and/or Volkov are scorers.

Surely we can get a RHD elsewhere(2019 Free Agency if we're ballsy).

Right now we've got our defense and need some forwards to build up our future core.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 20, 2018 at 11:04 a.m.
Thread: Four-Way Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rtapp326</b></div><div>Columbus is pretty happy with the way their team is constructed, so they will want a high-end scoring forward in return for Panarin. Columbus is able to stay on the path of building the roster they want, while each other team addresses a position of need. Plus, Columbus will get something extra back (see description).</div></div>

I'll reiterate.

You're trading a PPG player with 1 year left for a player who just scored less than 50 points in 82 games with 1 year left on his contract too...

Skinner Jenny a high end scorer, Panarin is.

I'm sorry man but this is just not good.

I'm just trying to understand how you even begin to think about trading Panarin for just Jeff Skinner. Two guys in two different levels
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 13, 2018 at 5:44 p.m.
Thread: Garbage Man Scenario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Don't know why fans keep on repeating past history about Arizona and the cap floor nonsense. They are about 8m short with 6 played to sign, they certainly won't have any trouble going about the cap floor. But what is real history is Arizona takes on LTIR contract or retired players to up their cap hit. That's a big drop in this draft from 5th to 9th especially if Tzachuk might be sitting at 5. Vegas would gladly LTIR Clarkson if cap floor was an issue. Same with MacArthur. He's on an insured contract, so he isn't costing the Sens money or cap, so the Sens aren't moving down because of MacArthur. Maybe Ryan though.</div></div>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Macgarthur isnt costing them in cap space, but they still are paying him $4.65 mil annually as he is owed right? Although your insured contract point does sound familiar...

The point I was trying to make was moreso OTT cutting actual cost + salary cap because of their budgeted circumstances.

On your # 5 pick point.

So in this scenario, and most, MTL takes Tkachuk at #3 because he's a center(also why I got Zadina at 4), so ARI would be choosing from Boqvist, Bouchard, Hughes, Wahlstrom, Kotkaniemi, etc. if they didn't trade the pick.

Thanks for your comment!