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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 26 at 8:17 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 22 at 3:25 p.m.
Thread: The perfect deadline for the Maple Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WranglerWranglin</b></div><div>Moldenhauer hasn't really moved in value from being a 3rd rounder, Timmins is not worth acquiring with having an extra year and being consistently in and out of the line up, he's become the D man that was traded for Curtis Douglas again. 2nd is the asking price for Tanev without retention. Not a good package for Calgary.</div></div>

In this scenario, Calgary wouldn't retain (the 5th they send would be used for retention). I think Moldenhauer is a B-level prospect, he's struggled about with the Wolverines but I fully expect that as he gets stronger, he's going to earn an NHL contract out of college and become a really useful player. If Calgary doesn't value him, there are other similar prospects (Tverberg, Hirvonen, Chadwick, Lisowsky, etc).

If no one steps up and offers a 1st, IMO a 2nd + B-level prospect (Moldenhauer or someone else) + TImmins would be enough for Tanev (could be a bit more of a bidding war breaks out). The only problem in Tanev to TOR is probably CGY not wanting to deal with him IMO
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21 at 6:06 p.m.
Thread: What the Leafs likely do at deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jamnjon</b></div><div>From what I've seen Timmins is valued as a late round pick (I've seen Sharks send their 5th). Based on that, this is an early 5th, a late 5th, and a mid 3rd for a mid 2nd. Per the Athletic's draft value chart, the early 5th is worth 0.3 GSVA, the late 5th is 0.2, and the mid 3rd is about 0.7, so they combine to about 1.2 GSVA. A mid second is around 1.6 or 1.7 GSVA. Bumping up Timmins' value to an early 4th only adds an additional 0.2 GSVA which still has it a bit short.

From skimming through trades and comparing values, the teams moving up tend to pay a bit more than The Athletic's values (for instance, when the Coyotes traded up to 11 it cost them 27, 34, and 45 which is 1.8 GSVA extra, or the value of pick 45). The Sharks are also trying to get more early picks because they need more quality than quantity so they're especially unlikely to trade back unless it's an overpay.

All of this is before factoring in that the Devils' pick has the potential to become a 1st rounder in the unlikely chance that they reach the ECF and the fact that the Leafs' 5th is 2 years in the future which is generally seen as a lower value than a pick in the current season.</div></div>

Didn't know about the Athletic's draft value chart. Considering the conditions involved, the Sharks definetly reject. I would do this move for any late pick IF possible (I would assume a late second is worth a bit less) making the value pretty close to fair. Obviously SJ would be going for quality over quantity, but I'd assume some contending team with a lack of picks may make this deal for an extra pick + Timmins