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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 11:24 a.m.

Thread: Cmon Cuz its cup time

That does seem a bit heavy on a package for Lindholm with no agreement in place but we can quibble on that later. Might be Caniac555 has a man crush on Lind'y. I would love a crack at getting him on our roster if it would fit long term.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 8:30 a.m.

Thread: Playoffs means no picks

Pesce says no.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 8:25 a.m.

Thread: Fixed it

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>Canes fans will tell you it's not enough but that is a good Pesce return</div></div>

Has nothing to do with if it's "enough". In a vacuum, it's fair value. But if we move Pesce out we would replace him with someone of our choosing. I don't think he gets moved unless it is part of a 3-way trade for that person.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.

Thread: winning

I'd like to see more of Drury before evaluating what to do with him.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 4:56 p.m.

Thread: Leafs opening night - Willy trade with canes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>And it's not enough</div></div>

Thank you Rip. And bless your heart.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.

Thread: Without Nikishin and Morrow

Nikishin and Morrow project higher. Especially Nikishin.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.

Thread: can everyone stay

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>It's always interesting to watch fans call a player untouchable and then all their agms sign them to such small deals.

Case in point: Jarvis. Fans say they wouldn't trade him 1 for 1 for Nylander and then give him contracts that don't value the player</div></div>

I believe that was an attempt at a bridge deal. Necas did a 2 x $3M.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 4:39 p.m.

Thread: can everyone stay

This is a bit premature. I would wait until the team is done with the current roster moves before speculating next years roster. Much could be impacted still.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 3:58 p.m.

Thread: Leafs opening night - Willy trade with canes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>You have to think all teams caps and needs.
Nylander is the superior player at 7m X 1 year. But the Leafs need cap. So a trade straight up for 4.1m X 1 Pesce might be fair
Terovainen at 5.4m X 1 year might be a fair contract but geez you can UFA at that price without giving 1.4m Liljigren (and three years of control) two picks and good forward prospect in Minten.

Just looking at the 23/24 season, are the Leafs (or Canes) better with Pesce/Terovainen swap of Liljegren/Nylander. Cap is about the same...maybe even on ice value. But Leafs give up term in Liljegren and by your trade the Leafs give up two picks and Minten.</div></div>

This isn't my trade. Nylander would be the only target on Toronto from a Canes perspective.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.

Thread: DUMBA

Waiting on the Dumba punchline...

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 3:28 p.m.

Thread: Finishing the offseason

I'll be gentle. That Buffalo trade would only happen if you're Buffalo. And Keller, whom I would love to have, is going to require a heckuva package to pry him loose.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 3:23 p.m.

Thread: All new Right Side I know it wont happen

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>yea no I've been crafting some Willy-Pesce deals but I figured that stopped the second they signed TDA, their blue line is so clearly set to start the season, short of some major surprise trade. Surprised to see them continuing.</div></div>

Waddell > "Hold my beer"

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.

Thread: Leafs opening night - Willy trade with canes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>This isn't enough for Nylander by himself</div></div>

Yep. I prefer it be Nylander by himself.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.

Thread: Maybe

No more room for depth forwards. We have 13 on the roster now. Plenty of depth beneath that.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.

Thread: Now that Aho is locked up

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Taz</b></div><div>That ''true'' 2C was supposed to be Kotkaniemi LOL</div></div>

Not so sure about that in the long run. If we get someone like Lindholm to be our 2c, would KK as our 3C be such a bad thing? Oh, yeah LOL.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 12:24 p.m.

Thread: Aho locked in

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigCaniac69</b></div><div>Honestly it's just a matter of moving Pesce, maybe it would be a 1 for 1, I just don't want Anaheim fans rejecting the trade</div></div>

I don't believe we're in the business of just pleasing Anaheim fans. There's our franchise, too.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 11:51 a.m.

Thread: Nills Bender

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jim_N1ll</b></div><div>I promise I didn't change it but someone did mention trading Hakanpaa in the thread. I've seen your D and even without Pesce, Hakanpaa doesn't do anything for y'all. You make all good points, I trust you're much more knowledgeable than I about the Canes roster. I will say I could easily see this trade if y'all were trying to make a move as it loads you guys up with more tradeable assets than just Pesce and saves just a bit of cap. This gives you a grade A prospect, a still valuable bottom six shutdown center (maybe 500k overpaid, but not much), and a 1st/3rd round pick you can now barter with. Could easily see y'all use some or all of this package to land a really big fish.</div></div>

Package it in a 3-way trade for Lindholm, Nylander, or EK and it becomes plausible. Now I can't speak for Calgary, Toronto, or SJ but I am local to the Canes and an STM.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.

Thread: Nills Bender

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jim_N1ll</b></div><div>I didn't offer Carolina another defenseman though? Bourque and Faksa are both forwards...</div></div>

Alright either this got changed or I am confusing it with every other Dallas offer that included Hakanpaa. My bad if I missed it. On the other hand, my main point was that we would not move Pesce unless it was for a big piece. If this is part of a 3-way that gets us that big fish, so be it. But not a stand-alone deal. And as much as we are loaded with D, we have 13 forwards on the roster. So we don't have room for any more unless it is a star player. Then we're moving 1 or 2 out. There is really very limited trade situations left with the Canes now.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.

Thread: Nills Bender

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jim_N1ll</b></div><div>Didn't trade Hakanpaa to Carolina though???</div></div>

Yes, and we moved on from him. Once was enough. The bigger point being we have 8 D at the moment. We really don't need him. Really.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.

Thread: from this day

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Pesce is not worth Nylander. Never has been and never will be. Pesce is a 30 point 2nd pair defenceman. Those are not close to as valuable as a top line 40 goal scoring point per game star. This has to stop</div></div>

Relax. No argument there. I would consider this the starting template for a hockey trade. Canes add. No need to add on the leafs side. No timmons or Lilj necessary. Seriously.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 10:14 a.m.

Thread: Nills Bender

A Pesce trade would be for big game hunting. EK, Nylander, Lindholm. And please stop with the Hakanpaa. Don't need another depth D.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 10:10 a.m.

Thread: Would Carolina do this

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>I would expect they would only move Pesce if they were trading for Karlsson. In which case, they won't want money coming back. So no Faksa or Hakanpaa.</div></div>

Yes. Same point I have been making. It's not that some of these aren't fair value in a vacuum. It's just that this isn't the terms under which they would want to trade him. It would be for big game hunting, like Nylander, Lindholm, EK, etc. And yes, please quit throwing Hakanpää at us. We have 8 defenseman under contract. We could move one and still be full.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.

Thread: Nylander

Not interested in a Pesce trade that doesn't have a Nylander on the other side. I think if we end up trading Pesce it will be for big game hunting. It may take 3 teams, but I don't believe we're putting him in a trade that doesn't involve a big chip. That doesn't speak to the trade value here. In a vacuum, I see fair value on some of these, but that's just not the preferred barter we would want with Pesce. I'm still hoping we can find a way to keep him.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2023 at 9:29 a.m.

Thread: take chances

I would imagine the Canes prefer Drury over the 4th. They don't have to move him now.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 25, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.

Thread: Nylander

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>Ottawa is not trading Ridly Grieg just to rent Brett Pesce.

Try again.</div></div>

Not a problem, cuz. We are not interested either. All good.

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