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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 19, 2023 at 4:22 p.m.
Thread: Aggressive Retool weaponize cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>Value is fine, but I don't see CHI's priority for cap dumps being 3rds or later.... .</div></div>

mid round picks are still very valuable. They can potentially get three picks in the 65-122 range, while saving $5M in real cash. And not only Chicago, but teams like Anaheim, San Jose and Arizona will be salivating over this deal as well. Owners hate taking out their wallet during the rebuild phase. I can't see a world where any one of these 4 teams decline, especially if the Canucks leak the deal to the owners of these teams

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>I'm sure CHI will have their cap situation figured out and their roster pretty much set by September.</div></div>

free picks is free picks, if paying $1M in real cash gets you three picks in the 65-122 range, you can't say no
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 19, 2023 at 2:00 a.m.
Thread: What else would be needed to make this a fair trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_Fan3416</b></div><div>*this is just for fun, I know its unrealistic and can't happen*</div></div>

The only way this makes sense, is if multiple 1st round picks are going the other way. Canucks are taking almost $6M+ of dead cap for 2 years + giving up a 2C, 1st line winger. At minimum, it will take two 1st rounders + one of McMichael or Lapierre.

I doubt Washington does this, as they also have to rebuild soon. And they can't afford to make a big move like this, without sacrificing a lot of futures. Although I'm sure Ovechkin won't mind Caps going all-in. At the same time, Canucks will also lose this trade, as they will have another bad contract on the books when they are trying to win, with no replacement for JT Miller. 30+ goals and 80+ points are hard to replace. They'd have to flip the Washington picks for immediate help, and find a creative and cheap way to off-load Oshie to Arizona, Anaheim or Chicago.

Maybe if a 3rd team retains 50% on Oshie (lets say Anaheim, and they get compensated with two 3rds, one from each team), this could work. It will give Vancouver a cheap winger, who they can always trade if things don't work out, as his cap hit won't be an anchor anymore. But I still don't see Caps giving up this many futures, with Ovi close to retiring
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 6:08 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 3:48 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>

A defenseman with top 4 upside will have better underlying numbers than this. Rathbone is a tweener right now . He’s not even on the same level as Romanov, Romanov has put up good results against elite competition</div></div>

Romanov literally does not have good numbers against elite competition. If anything, that is his biggest weakness. The guy was an absolute pylon in the playoffs last year and was healthy scratched for a reason. Again, it is very clear you haven’t seen Romanov play. From saying he is a great skater (wtf?), to praising his offensive skills (excuse me, what?).

And underlying metrics? Rathbone played 9 games last season, when he had an on-ice shooting percentage of 1.6%. He was used on the 3rd pair, and hardly got any ice time because Canucks were losing a lot of games early on and they didn’t want to play rookies. However, in his limited ice time, he was excellent offensively, often leading the attack himself. He was completing a lot of breakout passes, and showed a good amount of physicality and compete in the D-zone. If he played for literally any non-playoff team, he would have spent the whole season in the NHL. Most NHL scouts compare him to a Torey Krug or Goligoski. Corey Pronman said Rathbone is already a solid 3rd pair guy at the NHL level, and should only improve from here onwards
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 3:29 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Mikheyev will likely be a good play driver but I still highly doubt he’ll be a good finisher on Vancouver. It’s not like he’s 24 YO, he’s entering his age 28 season.

The most wild thing about this discussion is how you completely ignore facts. Romanovs analytics were that of a 2nd pair defenseman in each of his last 2 seasons. He is already better than a 3rd pair D. He also set up high danger scoring chances at an above average so I am not sure why you feel the need to make up things. Do you realize how insane it is to want to be right so bad that you’ll ignore facts.

Rathbone likely won’t hit his ceiling. He has the makeup of a 3rd pair/PP2 defenseman. Romanov’s skating ability is just as good and Romanov’s outlet passing/in some offense is already better at the NHL level than Rathbone will ever be.

It doesn’t matter what your eye test says, Romanovs underlying numbers are already at a 2nd pair level at 22 YO, and that’s while playing with pylons like Chiarot + savard</div></div>

Romanov actually did not have good analytics, he was mediocre at best, and even that is being generous.

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And I have seen him play a lot, he gets absolutely killed when he has to defend against Top 6 players. It’s only in a sheltered role, that he can be effective. He really reminds me of a younger Luke Schenn, which isn’t a good thing, considering Lou paid a 1st round pick for him (#13). Romanov has very little upside, and you are delusional if you think he is even half as good offensively as Rathbone. This alone shows you have never seen any of them play.

Rathbone is somebody who is very noticeable offensively. His shot is already better than most NHL defensemen. And his skating is among the best defensemen in the league. Rathbone and Garland have the same skating coach, and Rathbone constantly beats Garland in drills. And Garland is an excellent skater himself. In development camp, Quinn and Rathbone were skating circles around everybody else, they were not that far apart themselves. Quinn has better edges, but their top speed and acceleration is more or less the same. Whereas Romanov will probably get lapped twice by Quinn if they were on the ice together. And let’s not even talk about their shot or passing. They are not even in the same dimension offensively. And btw, if Rathbone played for a trash team like Montreal, he would be playing Top 4 minutes too. That does not mean anything. It is about what’s best for your development. And Romanov should have played the year in Laval too. Except he got exposed in the NHL and did not learn anything. He is still the same player he was last year, as he was this year. Whereas Rathbone played 25 minutes a night in Abby, and learned what it takes to be a Top 4 D man at the professional level, offensively and defensively

Also Mikheyev has only been in the NHL for 3 years. And he has spent most of it injured. He has an extremely raw skill set and his best is yet to come (when he finally plays a full season, with Top 6 line mates). His defensive play and PK alone make him a valuable Top 9 player. His speed and finishing are just extra pieces that will elevate him into a solid Top 6 guy, and that’s all Vancouver need him to be. His 4 year term ensures Canucks get prime years too
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 2:28 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Rathbone’s most likely outcome is a 3rd pair caliber D who can help PP2. The odds he has a better overall impact than Romanov are very low

Mikheyev is a good play driver, but he’s not shooting 14% next season. Previous two seasons it was less than 10%. He’s not known for his finishing ability. He’s worth 3.5 x 2 at best , VAN were better off signing Milano or Balcers</div></div>

Mikheyev lacerated his wrist in his rookie season, if the cut was an inch higher, he would be dead. That is a worse injury Boeser ever had, and it even took him 2 years to get his shot back to normal. That is what injuries do. And Mikheyev does not need to be a sniper to score goals. He is very fast and creates a lot of 2v1 rush chances and breakaways. If he can finish those chances at a league average level (which he did last year), he can be a 20 goal guy, based on that alone. Not to mention, what playing with guys like Horvat, Pettersson and JT Miller will do for his game. He won’t have to carry Kampf, Kase, Engvall, Kerfoot and Tavares anymore. Btw, the only winger that gave Tavares a positive 5v5 goal differential was Mikheyev. Even Nylander couldn’t make that slow bum a Top 6 guy, but Mikheyev did

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And Rathbone is already at that stage in this point of his career. He has not stopped developing. Also you can teach defense, but not offense. For example, you can’t teach Romanov how to skate like Rathbone. But you can teach Rathbone how to use his body to be more physical defensively. You can teach Rathbone a good gap and how to use his stick to win puck battles. But you can’t teach Romanov how to pass and move the puck like Rathbone. While Romanov may have a higher floor than Rathbone. But Rathbone has a much higher ceiling. Romanov is not going to be anything more than a 3rd pair shutdown defensemen, that can be used up in the line-up in case of injuries. I saw him play a lot in the North division, and trust me, he wasn’t very good. He was arguably even worse this year, apart from a few stretches
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 1:57 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Dude has one foot out the door. In five years he will be a member of the Blue Jackets. Everyone knows it lmao.</div></div>

And Barzal will join Vancouver, he literally had Canucks pjs as a kid. And btw, he still lives in Vancouver and follows the Canucks. Give me a break. Quinn Hughes signed for 6 years for a reason, not a bridge. He has been our most valuable player the last 3 years. And Canucks will make him the highest paid D-man in the league, if they have too. In an interview to the Athletic, he said he wants to play the rest of his career in Vancouver if he could. And he will be a UFA in 2027, that is a long time away. This is a debate to have 3-4 years down the road, when Canucks start pitching him extension offers. And trust me, there will be no low-ball offers when it comes to Pettersson and Quinn. They get whatever they want.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 1:47 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>He's most likely one of those defenseman who's too good for the AHL, not good enough to provide value in the NHL</div></div>

Rathbone was literally good enough to be an NHL defensemen this season, but the management wanted him to spend a full season in the AHL first, because they didn't want to rush him. He was creating a lot of zone exits and was able to make plays happen from nothing in the offensive zone. He already has an NHL caliber tool set, that can give him a 3rd pair job. And he ironed out a lot of chunks in his D-zone game, to the point, that he was being relied upon as a shutdown defensemen towards the end of the AHL season. And even last year, Rathbone was one of our better depth defensemen defensively. He will play a lot of minutes in the NHL this year. Boudreau even told OEL to practice playing RD, if Rathbone earns himself a Top 4 job during the season, which the AHL/NHL coaching staff predicts he would. When Rathbone signed with the Canucks, his Harvard coach put him on the same pedestal as Marino and Fox, who were his teammates early in his career.

And Mikheyev was on pace for 32 goals last season, while playing essentially zero minutes with Matthews, Nylander, Marner. Mikheyev is one of the fastest players in the league and is an elite penalty killer. His defensive game is also very strong at 5v5, he can be used in all situations. He is worth good money at $4.75M, especially playing with better linemates in the Canucks Top 6

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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 1:15 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Pettersson isn’t better than Barzy and his two way abilities are greatly exaggerated like Dubois in Winnipeg lol.</div></div>

If anything, Pettersson 2-way ability are underrated. Unlike Dubois, Petey is always the first guy back in the D zone. He always moves his feet and has his head up. He competes hard in the D zone, and is always using his speed and stick to create turnovers. His elite hockey-iq allows him to read plays before they happen, so he is able to block a lot of passes and recover pucks. His only flaw is that he is still too skinny, so he can sometimes get beat up by tougher players along the boards. But that will change as Petey gets older and builds muscle. Apart from Barkov, I have never seen a young Center be so good defensively, so early in his career like Pettersson has been. And he will only improve in this area
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 1:07 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Romanov would be the Canucks 2nd best defenseman lmao</div></div>

Romanov would not even be the Canucks best young defensemen, as Rathbone is a much better skater and more gifted offensively. Rathbone was named to AHL All Rookie Team last season, and was arguably the best defensemen in the AHL at age 22. Romanov's ceiling is a Luke Schenn type player, and even that seems unlikely. He makes hard hits and is decent defensively, but there is little offense to his game. He can also be a turnover machine, especially when playing against high quality competition. Lou got absolutely fleeced in that deal.

Also the moves Rutherford/Allvin has made so far:
-Trade Hamonic for 3rd
-Trade 3rd for Dermott
-Sign Kuzmenko as a UFA Free Agent
-Sign Arshdeep Bains, Nils Aman, Filip Johansson as a RFA Free Agent
-Sign Mikheyev, Lazar, Dakota, Kalynuk, Delia in Free Agency
-Extend Rathbone 0.850x2 and Martin 0.762x2

None of these are bad moves. They have made upgrades to the roster for relative cheap value. If anything, they have added too many Top 6/9 wingers, that Canucks need to trade few of them to make room. Assuming they keep JT Miller and extend him, which I think what will eventually happen.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 12:34 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Doesn’t make sense cap wise and the idea Pettersson is better than Barzal is funny af. Isles have no interest in this. Plz delete. Thanks.!</div></div>

Remind me how many points Barzal has, in the last few years??

Regular season + playoffs
Pettersson : 262 GP, 104 G, 239 P, 0.91 ppg
Barzal: 411 GP, 104 G, 349 P, 0.85 ppg

And this doesn't even take into account for Pettersson's 2-way skills (D-zone stick checks, pass blocks, puck recoveries, steals...). And JT Miller has out-played Petey the last few years, if he can do that, he would easily be the best player on the Islanders, plus you get Garland and a 1st. I highly doubt Lou declines. This guy paid a 1st round pick (#13) for a 3rd pair defensemen in Romanov. If anything, he would settle for less.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 24, 2022 at 12:21 a.m.
Thread: The Calgary-Panthers Model
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles5513</b></div><div>Yeah but they didn’t offer Pettersson did they? They offered an old man instead.</div></div>

JT Miller is the same age as Huberdeau and Gaudreau. He just turned 29 and is hardly "old". He is in his prime, and has many more good years left. In the last 3 seasons, JT Miller is 12th in the league in points and 29th in hits. He would single handedly take the Islanders to a new level, he out-played Pettersson for the majority of his 3 years in Vancouver. And Petey is better than Barzal. Islanders also get Garland in this trade, he is 17th in 5v5 points in the NHL the last 2 years, while playing for Vancouver and Arizona, two of the worst teams in the NHL in 5v5 goals. Garland is also 26 years old. Not to mention, the 1st round pick in the 2023 draft which Islanders can keep, or flip for other assets at the deadline (like Pastrnak or Kane)
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2022 at 11:27 p.m.
Thread: Ultra-Aggressive retool
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devsfan25</b></div><div>Hamilton Nemec Marino will be d core for years to come on right side. Siegenthaler and Hughes on left side and have multiple guys to play last left side spot. U actually need Severson more than we need Miller. And the comparison to Gaudreau isn’t valid. Gaudreau is a much better player and wouldn’t have costed us any assets. I also listed what a realistic package would look like from the Devils</div></div>

No team in the league pays $4.4M for a 3rd pair defensemen. That is how you tank a value of a player. And the point is Fitz likes JT Miller A LOT. He has been after him for a long time. He is the best power forward in the league. What you think is meaningless. It’s what Fitz thinks that matters. And the fact is that Hamilton and Nemec, makes Marino and Severson expendable, especially Severson who is not re-signing with that RD depth in Jersey.

And the funny thing is that the majority of Canucks fans would hate this trade. It’s funny that you don’t like it. While it literally would make New Jersey a playoff team overnight. While still having solid RD depth.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2022 at 9:31 p.m.
Thread: Ultra-Aggressive retool
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>evelutions2</b></div><div>Canes are more than likely not going to trade Necas for futures, especially futures who won’t even be up at the NHL level for anywhere between 1-4 years. Like it has been said on here already, Necas is the security blanket for KK, and he very likely gets the trial by fire with KK. As for cap space, the main thing that would need to happen would be to dump Gardiner. That would grant the Canes the cap space to sign Necas and maybe even Nino as well. The Canucks first round pick would more than likely be around 12-16OA, which would likely put the prospect that gets drafted about 2 years or so away from the NHL, and that doesn’t help the Canes win now. Those 3 picks really aren’t an overpay, considering how much potential Necas still has.

I do think that to force the Canes hand, you would have to offer sheet Necas, and I don’t think the Canucks really want to do that.</div></div>

If Canes want players instead of futures, they can literally trade the Canucks picks + their own for a Scheifele or Dubois. That will be more than enough to acquire them. Nobody said they have to keep the picks.