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Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 10:06 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>Larry Murphy might be a better analogy. But he was traded for future considerations and I don't even know who it turned into.
Murphy was brought into Toronto as a 16 to 18 minute offensive defenceman. I forget if it was injury or trades, but he, as an aging defenceman, was asked to log 22+ minutes and as shut-down guy and fans got on him as he was too old to fit that role.
Traded to Detroit, he anchored their PP to 2 cups in 3 years.</div></div>
Heck u want a story of people forcing a guy away in recent years
Kadri
People thought he was just a liability in the playoffs and forced him out and while in COL he proved that right the first time towards the end he won the cup and scored a game winner vs. TBL
Got the last laugh in the end
That trade still goes down as one of the worst and while we almost came away with Bennett and Brodie before I still feel TOR should have been more patient as I feel it was rushed and they came out with 50 cents to the dollar
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 9:27 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>Yup - trade him for John Kordic.</div></div>
Full disclosure I had to google Kordic.
Now I don't want to trade him for nothing but he has to move.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mon. at 8:46 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>Yah, I understand what point he was trying to make but the fact that that actually came out of his mouth is pathetic. What a slap in the face to your fans man</div></div>
I didn't view it like that at all. I think if anything he was trying to make a point of the fan support in the city - especially when you win (mentions the love for the raptors)... Of all the things to get worked up about, this ain't it, imo
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Apr. 29 at 9:59 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>I am using a 25% PP and 75% PK as average. With this, the score in the 4 games would have been.
Bos -- Tor
4.3 to 1.8
1.5 to 2.8
1.8 to 3.3 (there would not have been a BOS EN goal since the Leafs should have been ahead.
2.8 to 1.8
So really, Sammy has probably cost the Leafs 2 to 3 goals. Special Teams have cost the Leafs about 6 goals.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Your numbers are a bit off.
Avg is 80-20, among playoff teams its usually skews a touch higher</div></div>
But either way would probs be a 2-2 series so that would be at least something heck maybe we would have been up 3-1 who knows as I believe we had 2-3 PP's to start game 4 and if our PK was better maybe BOS would not have got that PP goal
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Apr. 29 at 10:05 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
This might be the unpopular opinion, but I feel like trading Marner <em>now</em> if the Leafs lose is kinda silly. Like I'm as frustrated as anyone with him, but the return will not be good and I know there's thirst for change in the core 4, but Tavares, who is the weakest link, has one year left... the change will come.
Maybe just settle for a new coach this offseason
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Apr. 27 at 11:32 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 7 - Shambles
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>I think Keefe is a good coach, tbh, and we've seen the players underperform under two different coaches now so I don't think it's fair to put their shortcomings on his shoulders, but yeah he needs to go. It's just time.</div></div>
Woodcroft got fired in Edmonton for less. It's just a waste to keep Keefe around. Could he find success elsewhere? Probably. Has he done anything for this organization to warrant staying around? Not even remotely. The best thing he did was replace Mike Babcock. You literally couldn't ask for a better situation to come into, especially seeing as though Babcock set the bar so damn low.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 2 at 4:07 p.m.
Thread:
50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Nvm, forgot about the Jarnkrok activation. My guess is Robertson just gets sent down to the AHL, he is waiver exempt after all</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>I thought I heard Jarnkrok is playing. Doesn't that put them 1 over?</div></div>
Yeah I misspoke, my bad
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 1 at 7:49 a.m.
Thread:
(ANA/CAR/TOR) - Lyubushkin for Slepets for 2025 3rd (TOR), 2024 6th (TOR)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RoughRunner</b></div><div>For those saying the double retain means they will make another move, they don't have the cap space. On deadline day they will send down Robertson and afterthey will waive Jones and call Robertson back up. The only way they can make more space before the deadline while leaving enough space for Jarnkrok to come back is to waive/trade any of Gregor/Reaves/Giordano/Lagesson/Timmins before the deadline. It looks like they want to keep Reaves as he has been contributing more lately, then Lagesson and Timmins are too valuable as injury depth. That leaves Giordano, who could pull a Spezza and threaten to retire if claimed, and Gregor. It doesn't seem like they want to put Giordano through waivers even though he would clear, and I guess they want to keep Grogor around in case of injuries... so that's it, this is the roster. I personally would have gotten rid of Gregor so that you have more space for a better players than Lyubushkin but they didn't want to do that. Part of me thinks with Giordano going down tonight, and McCabe playing while banged up, they wanted to complete this trade before they announced any injuries and teams drove up the prices knowing they were in a bind... <img class="for_img" src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GHk-FvUW8AARlmZ?format=png&name=large" alt="GHk-FvUW8AARlmZ?format=png&name=large"></div></div>
That's a 25 man roster...
And the other move part comes with the Leafs still being able to fit Libby under the cap without double retention
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 11 at 10:10 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 4 - Mid Season Slump
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>To be fair, it was way overkill and is now going to cost us by not having our best d man for a few games.</div></div>
No way, he should have just taken an instigator and dropped the gloves. A clapper into an empty net with 5 seconds left is a classless move. You better the expecting to get run after that.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jan. 16 at 11:42 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
Sell at the deadline. This team has no realistic Cup aspirations. Recoup some assets for guys like Bertuzzi, Domi, and Brodie, revamp in the summer, and hopefully put yourself in a better position to buy next year with more trade chips to spend
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Oct. 11, 2023 at 11:57 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion - The Treleafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>Watching baseball and having teams 1.5 games behind the lead - I wonder if NHL is ready for half points.
Win = 2 pts.
OTW = 1.5 pts.
SOW = 1.25 pts.
SOL = 0.75 pts.
OTL = 0.5 pts.
L = 0 pts.
All games = 2 points - same as historic.
W = 2 pts. more that loser, OTW = 1 pt. more than loser, SOW = 0.5 pt. more than loser.
Would be worse for Leafs based on this game, but in the long run I expect Leafs to be below average in games that go to OT.</div></div>
Like the thought, but I would like something more in line with a team getting more points with a regulation win....something that European Football did.
Three points for a regulation win. Two points for a overtime win, one point for an overtime loss.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Aug. 3, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>https://theathletic.com/4736260/2023/08/01/maple-leafs-samsonov-murray-salary-cap/
Great article by Mirtle here on the Murray situation. Biggest take away for me that I didn't realize:
<em>"Murray stood to lose $2.67 million of the $8 million remaining in salary if he was bought out. It’s highly unlikely he would be able to recoup that as a free agent, not with every team relatively settled in goal and tight against the cap. At best, because of his health, he was likely looking at a near-league minimum contract and a move to a situation where he would potentially be battling for a job in the NHL"</em>
Because his original contract was heavily backloaded (32 percent of the salary in the final year of the deal), the amount he would get from a buy-out vs agreeing to be injured and sitting on LTIR and collecting his full paycheck is $2.67m. That's a pretty big incentive to fake hurt all year</div></div>
My biggest takeaway from that article:
“The Leafs didn’t need to go through a full arbitration hearing in order to activate the second buyout window, so we can throw that out as a theory for why they went through with it.”
If you were not going to or able to buyout Murray, why even go to arbitration with Samsonov. I’m sure they were hoping to get that number less than 3.55 but know you just walk him right to FA where if he proves himself again you are looking at a number in the high 5’s on a 4-5 year deal.
So instead of getting him on a 2-3 year deal (a 2 year deal would have been perfect so it expires when Woll’s does) at a 4.25-4.5 deal we could very well be looking for a new #1 goalie again unless Woll takes the next steps.
Pretty short sided IMO on Treliving. And I realize the argument from some fans is “oh we didn’t have the cap to do it” well it’s going to be really awko-taco IF Holmberg and Timmins are out playing Kampf and Klingberg next year. Cause that could be 6.55 mil that could have been spent better.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jul. 3, 2023 at 6:47 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Messier99</b></div><div>A hypothetical question.
Last week, could the Leafs make a trade with NJD.
Marner with 50% retained for Future considerations. At end of this season, Leafs decide if Futures should be Jack Hughes or Curtis Lazar.
Essentially, Leafs are helping NJ with a shot to win Cup this year. But it helps Leafs in long run.
Or can NHL step in and say it's a non-sensical trade.</div></div>
Let's simplify this a bit.
Basically you're asking if you could delay the return on trade, yes?
i.e *ignoring all other factors - just putting the names in* Leafs trade Marner to NJD this year for no return, and NJD then transfers Hughes to the Leafs after the upcoming season?
So it's Marner <em>now</em> for Hughes a year from now?
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jul. 2, 2023 at 7:48 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Draft Day And Free Agency
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>The fact that Bertuzzi got a NMC shows that he wants to be here. Theres no doubt in my mind he'll be back next year, barring any injuries of course</div></div>
Lmao there's that optimism. He signed a one year deal as a UFA and wanted to be on a contender. OF COURSE there's an NMC, there would've been one anywhere that he signed a one year deal. Just protecting himself from ending somewhere he wouldn't have considered signing with.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Jun. 9, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What?
<div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Luke Schenn staying with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeafsForever?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">#LeafsForever</a>? Catch <a href="https://twitter.com/DhaliwalSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">@DhaliwalSports</a> with an update on the defenseman earlier today.<a href="https://t.co/h4e2SKM7eJ" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/h4e2SKM7eJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/iVJdmD9Iw9" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/iVJdmD9Iw9</a></p>— Donnie & Dhali (@DonnieandDhali) <a href="https://twitter.com/DonnieandDhali/status/1666871716214358016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">June 8, 2023</a></blockquote>
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If he wants term I want to do it in a way where if he starts to suck u can burry the deal and not have a cap punishment 1.1 mill x 4 years. And give him the M-NTC
As I know the sample but the guy earned it and let him end his career where it all started for him
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 14, 2023 at 10:57 a.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>It is. People are doing the same thing we saw with Kadri he's the problem get rid of him. We're gonna trade these guys lose in the end and meanwhile they gonna do better on their new teams win a cup and we get the quote kadri gave
Trading matthews = rebuild
Nylander u can but u need to be careful and ensure u can at least break even
Marner u are never winning that trade</div></div>
but the reason I'd trade Matthews/Nylander isn't performance based unlike Kadri with his disciplinary actions. Its a completely different though train. Its because, if they don't commit this summer, they are likely to leave. So you'd need to make sure you don't get left empty handed.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 14, 2023 at 1:34 a.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general were in the same situation as him which is why I am worried as I do not want to trade for the sake of trading lose it and then Nylander, Marner are holding a cup and going FU while your stuck with Kerfoot 2.0 and Barrie
No thanks
Pappetti said it best
<div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My thoughts on 88/16 are simple: they should be open to moving them every offseason for the right price.However, they can't force themselves into a bad deal like they did with Kadri. It will likely be tough to get the haul necessary given the lack of term left on their deals.</p>— Kevin Papetti (@KPapetti) <a href="https://twitter.com/KPapetti/status/1656338043110817792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">May 10, 2023</a></blockquote>
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The Leafs just lost to a team that shipped out a 100-point forward(Huberdeau) and a key top 4 defenseman(Weegar) last offseason.
<img class="for_img" src="https://media.tenor.com/qmP5XLws5dsAAAAC/anything-is-possible-celtics.gif" alt="anything-is-possible-celtics.gif">
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 13, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2023 2024 Offseason Discussion - Now What?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Nope were basically gonna have b2b Kadri situations. Were gonna trade these guys lose both then they gonna go win cups on their new teams while we just sitting back realizes hey we ****ed up again.
Nylanders probs getting moved rest are staying. Kevin Pappetti's tweet sums this best</div></div>
so do you not think we go even further into rebuild territory if we keep them a year, don't win, and then Matthews and Nylander just decide to walk and we get absolutely nothing?
Their success at their new destination would have absolutely nothing to do with what the right move would be for the Leafs if they can't get commitments from those guys.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Mar. 23, 2023 at 7:40 p.m.
Thread:
49Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 4)
Dam I thought he made SOTY 1cm off from it lul
Should blacken the Mesh in his glove to hide it better.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Feb. 9, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed Conor Timmins (2 Years / $1,100,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Nothing against the player, but if this is Muzzin replacement, as of now, TML is in big trouble.</div></div>
Was never meant to be Muzzin's replacement, he's likely Holls replacement.
If you want to classify someone as Muzzins replacement, it's likely Sandin. He's still got some growing to do, but he's doing well.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Feb. 11, 2023 at 10:11 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 3)
The one concern I have for Bunting is he becomes Kadri in terms of bad rap with refs does something stupid playoff suspension.. RN hes getting a bad rap with the refs for mouthing off and stuff and we have noticed a few games now stuff done to him does not get called
I hope it blows bye but hes also got to get it in check as if this continues and starts costing us games im not sure of bringing him back. As man Tampa and Bos gonna eat him alive if he doesnt calm down
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Dec. 31, 2022 at 9:37 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 season Discussion (Part 2)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general none of our D looked good tonight. Like Holl literally had a Dang-It and Liligren went from great to WTF are you doing.
Dont know why but leafs against Lottery teams often make the weirdest choices with their on ice play as if they are trying to lose sometimes. But against strong teams become a well oiled machine in which barely anything goes wrong. Its confusing yet expected of them at this point
<strong>Anyways knowing them they gonna play a structured game vs the Avs and were all gonna be like so what is this team lul</strong></div></div>
:tearsofjoy
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Dec. 10, 2022 at 3:37 a.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 season Discussion
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Please continue on this <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/658383">Thread </a></div></div>
Why? Theres clearly no limit and moving is a great way to lose eyes
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Nov. 17, 2022 at 11:35 p.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 season Discussion
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>You trade Kerfoot and don’t sign Ritchie 🤷♂️</div></div>
Still doesn’t really work though. With Muzzin out now yes but it wouldn’t have worked to start the season.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Not hindsight i was all over that **** at the time</div></div>
Fair enough, for me I was fine with it at the time.
To be honest, the only 2 trades of Dubas’ I HATED right from the start are Foligno and Murray. Every other one I have at least been fine with. Most of his trades are fine at the start and then become “hindsight is 2020” trades. Kind of annoying.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 21, 2022 at 9:58 a.m.
Thread:
Toronto Maple Leafs signed Pierre Engvall (1 Year / $2,250,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RKLW</b></div><div>Someone is getting traded, probably Muzzin... maybe Holl</div></div>
Has Muzzin given any indication he's willing to leave the team he grew up playing for? What makes people think he's just going to? It's a lot different than McDonagh players pay for NMC/NTC's in either AAV,TERM or BOTH most don't waive.
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