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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 21, 2023 at 9:21 a.m.
Thread: why building around Quebec talent is good for HABS pt1
The bias towards french speaking players doesn't hold any water, Drouin is a commensurate POS, guy shows no respect or loyalty for the team or it's logo.

Language doesn't dictate anything more than how the person can communicate, that's akin to saying all european/russian players will never take playing for their NHL team seriously because they aren't home.

The Canadiens should be identifying players who bring the necessary talent and compete level, not based on language identity politics.

Laf doesn't bring anything the habs don't already have, and as has been mentioned, his ceiling of talent is getting lower and lower and may just turn into a Josh Anderson, which isn't terrible, but not what is needed for this team. At this point Ylonen looks like he should be getting opportunities at prime minutes in the NHL, Farrell is still a prospect, but looking amazing in his last year of NCAA, and that 1st in a deep draft, makes better sense to keep it and try and get another RHD to stock up behind Mailloux.

PLD is a guy who should be targeted, because he's young, physical, can produce, and who the hell cares what language he can speak. (and you did in Pt. 2)
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 20, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.
Thread: big moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR</b></div><div>Flyers decline, Merzlikins is a player that's gonna have to be dumped imo, or bought out that contract is just not great for how he's played the last 2 years - I think he can be a good goalie again but currently his value is very negative.

Also I know the rumors of Hart being available from Friedman, but I can't see them trading Hart unless the return is too good to pass up, and the best asset here is a late first. Just from the way Torts has backed all year and how Briere has talked about where the team is at in the media. They've been pretty clear that they want to rebuild, but that doesnt mean trade young players that could be core pieces.(Like Chicago has) Hart is the only true franchise building piece as a 24 YO, and Goalies typically hit their primes in their late 20's.</div></div>

Torts played a system that worked well with Elvis, and those were his two best years. While I don't think the value is exactly there, I wouldn't scoff at Merzlikins and Torts reuniting, especially if Briere decides to go full rebuild with the Flyers and finally get them back on track.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2023 at 9:53 p.m.
Thread: PLD WIN options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Ah I see, so we ignore what the player ACTUALLY says and only go by rumours and things that his agent says. Got it. The typical "this doesn't suit my agenda so ignore it" defense.

The leverage Winnipeg has, is that if he won't sign an extension, he will be traded. The Jets would find out which teams he is willing to extend with and work with them for the best offer. From what we know now, if Dubois' main interest is winning and earning maximum dollars, then there should be plenty of teams to work with.

Thinking that that Jets have no options other than letting Dubois walk for nothing or trading him for nothing, even after seeing the Tkachuk trade just seems like agenda pushing. As your argument is "Tkachuk being in the same situation got a good retun so the Jets should expect to get nothing". Lol. A nice "logical" position :sarcasm</div></div>

I literally linked what Tavares "actually said" and you ignored it, or don't know how to read, i'm leaning towards the latter.

Again, lack of reading comprehension, Zito is a terrible GM.... so, I agree, IF Winnipeg makes a trade with Zito, then yeah, you'll get something, otherwise, you're reading comprehension is still lacking.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2023 at 7:30 p.m.
Thread: PLD WIN options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>I didn't say you said the offer was good, I was just pointing orthat you saying "Winnipeg had very little say in this" is flat out wrong. That's all.

Winnipeg has a huge amount of day in whatn happens, all other teams, including Montreal, have little to none.

PLD's agent said that he would be okay with playing in Montreal someday, but that it had to be nite or anytime soon, just someday.

PLD also did come out and say that his agent's comments were overblown by media and fans and that winning is the most important thing to him, so I guess you missed that. If winning is the most important thing, then he won't be going to Montreal anytime soon.

But, you are exactly right, if PLD wants to be traded this summer, it will be similar to the Tkachuk trade. Do you think Calgary had no control there? Of course they did, nobody could force them to move Tkachuk if they didn't want to. Winnipeg will be in the same position.

None of us know what actual leverage there is or isn't with PLD, but with what we know now we know that Winnipeg definitely has a say in what happens.</div></div>

Every player on every team throws the "I love the city blah blah blah" if you genuinely believe that, you got bigger issues to deal with.

<a href="https://elitesportsny.com/2018/01/15/john-tavares-to-the-new-york-islanders-i-want-to-stay-on-long-island/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://elitesportsny.com/2018/01/15/john-tavares-to-the-new-york-islanders-i-want-to-stay-on-long-island/</a>

Calgary had almost no control in that trade. Keith was already building homes in Miami during the off-season, the destination was pre-determined.

<a href="https://apnews.com/article/nhl-sports-hockey-relationships-florida-15cfbe5f1682d785c585251f8298ad8c" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/article/nhl-sports-hockey-relationships-florida-15cfbe5f1682d785c585251f8298ad8c</a>

They mostly got lucky that Bill Zito is a terrible GM more than anything.

The leverage is simple.... Winnipeg can offer 8 years X-million dollars. If PLD says 1 year Z-Million dollars, then Winnipeg has ZERO Leverage, as every team knows he will be a free agent at years end, and the odds of being a rental, which ties Winnipegs hands, make a playoff run with him (like CBJ with Panarin and Bob knowing they were about to F off) or trade him, and possibly miss the playoffs.

Thinking Winnipeg is in an enviable position of power is borderline asinine.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2023 at 7:03 p.m.
Thread: PLD WIN options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Actually Winnipeg has all the say since he is a RFA.

He has NEVER said or intimated that it is Montreal or bust, so there are likely many teams where he will extend. Keeping his value up.

It's pointless to entertain highly unlikely scenarios at this point.

Considering that two of the four pieces offered have negative and no value to Winnipeg and that the Jets can keep him and trade him at the TDL and get a better return than this. Which makes this offer an easy no without the changes I suggested.

There's just no reason for Winnipeg to give Dubois away for a worse than TDL value offer.</div></div>

Tell that to Calgary with Tkachuk, if a star player demands a trade there`s not really much you can do.

The issue is, his agent has released his desire for Montreal, also, his agent has not released his desire for anywhere else.

So, other teams, who cannot negotiate with him, have to make assumptions..... and risk assessments, and the lack of information presents a real risk that cannot be ignored by other GM`s.

I never inferred that the trade was good, Harris and the 1st are reasonable, but I would think another high level prospect would make it work.

at the TDL, offers can vary by how many teams are bidding for his services, again, not within Winnipegs control, and then the risk of rental vs re-sign pops back up.

There is an unknown as to what % PLD would go to Montreal, is it a Tavares scenario? or is it open ended, Winnipeg doesn't know.... so, they've relinquished control of this asset much like the Islanders did with Tavares, could chance losing him for nothing, could get something.

Again, I think Montreal should offer nothing, PLD isn't a game changer, and if he walks from Winnipeg, thats the pegs problem.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
Thread: PLD WIN options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>To be competitive with the other offers Winnipeg would get a few changes need to be made.

Take out Dvorak. He has a knee injury and is a 4C on Winnipeg. He has negative value to the Jets

Harris is a LHD and is the last thing Winnipeg needs, so he has zero value to the Jets. Change him to Beck.

AX has no value to Winnipeg.

Add Roy and with the above changes you might be competitive with the offers Winnipeg gets.

Think along the lines of offering what Horvat or Meier got as a minimum.

The offer as is it stands wouldn't be competitive at all, so or would be an easy no from Winnipeg.</div></div>

Unfortunately, Winnipeg has very little say in any of this.

PLD dictates the term of his next contract,

Other teams, may be wary of trading for him given his agent publicly stated he wants to play for Montreal, because without term, he could very well walk, so, without an agreement or negotiation done before hand, his value drops to any team not Montreal.

If his value drops to all teams, then it drops for Montreal too. (logically)

My opinion, is, PLD signs a 1 year, if the Jets are in a playoff position, they have to keep him to give themselves a chance, and possible lose him for nothing, if they aren't, they ship him to a contender and get a 1st and a decent prospect

Then he hits FA in 2024, and Montreal offers him 7x8.5, if he doesn't like it, he can walk.....
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.
Thread: PLD WIN options
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jetman</b></div><div>Winnipeg trades him to Detroit as all along he wants to play for an original 6 as Detroit is willing to pay for what he is worth

In turn, MTL gets screwed</div></div>

Problem with that is, he's made it public that he has an interest to go to Montreal.

This hurts his trade value to any other team, as they have to consider him a possible rental as he could very well walk on July 1, 2024

Which in turn, hurts the Jets receiving anything of proper value for him, unless there's a sign &amp; trade or the receiving team being given the opportunity to pre-negotiate with him.

He controls what type of contract he's willing to sign over the next few months, if he signs a 1 year deal, he's all but gone then.

Montreal shouldn't offer sheet, because then they open themselves up to retaliation similarly to when they did Carolina.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2023 at 1:09 p.m.
Thread: HABS Offer Sheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>Forgot about Wallstedt, but I personally wouldn't want to have a tandem of a 39 y/o and a 21 y/o. Too old and too young. Not to discredit Wallstedt, but in a league where a goalie usually breaks through at 23/24. However, one of Wallstedt's biggest skills is his mature playstyle, so if theres any goalie prospect that can come into the league early and not **** the bed, it's probably him.</div></div>

I'd tend to agree that rushing him would be bad, but literally nothing stops Guerin from signing a stop-gap, Stolarz, Stalock or whatever plug.

Sucks to waste a season of two of Kaprizovs contract, but getting some extra 1st round picks could help them come out the other side better.

Depends on the direction of the team, and whether Guerin can survive the markets scrutiny.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2023 at 10:34 a.m.
Thread: More Rumors Off Season Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ricochetii</b></div><div>To be fair a lot Gallagher's biggest injury issues weren't completely related to his style of play but bad luck.

Getting hit with pucks is predictable for a net front player of course, but getting hit in unprotected areas is never expected.
The multiple hand injuries, foot, and elbow, were just coincidental. It didn't help that you had Subban and then Weber firing most of those pucks.

You'd expect him to have leg, back, neck, head, injuries with his style of play. He took a lot of abuse in the form of crosschecks, slashes, elbows and fists, but avoided serious injury for the most part.
He did get a broken jaw from one crosscheck from Niskanen but that wasn't on him.

The real issue is his hip. He tore it in the qualifying round in the shortened season and it hasn't been rehabilitating well. He was playing through it, not a good idea in retrospect, until his jaw was broken.
He managed okay the following season until he took yet another shot (off his thumb this time), but normally with a hip injury your days are numbered. He probably came back too early from the thumb and reinjured the hip in the cup run.

I don't buy the narrative that his decline was inevitable. It's more of a cautionary tale that if you are going to hand out a contract like that, you should do a better job of protecting the player so they last the duration, even if it's from themselves.
If they want to play through some bumps, bruises, and cuts, that's one thing. If it's a foot, knee, hip, back, neck, head injury, don't risk it.</div></div>

Having a 35 year old play that style consistently was never realizable, he hasn't adapted his game, age comes for us all.

Standing in front of the net is one thing, the best players in the league do it, but they move as the puck is coming, the purpose is to screen the goalie, not block the shot. :(