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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 27, 2021 at 4:38 p.m.

Thread: Trying to be realistic

Hawks have Delia + Subban + Soderblom, we're not giving up assets for Koskinen.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 26, 2021 at 12:57 p.m.

Thread: Sabres

Hawks probably say yes to that deal if there's an agreeable contract with Reinhart. I love Reichel, but if the Hawks want another shot or two for Keith/Toews/Kane (assuming Toews is coming back), Reinhart makes the Hawks better immediately.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 26, 2021 at 9:51 a.m.

Thread: Blackhawks w EDM NJD ANA Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>I see your a Hawks fan but you don't seem to understand what a UFA is.

Lindholm is a 1 year rental. That means the Hawks get him for only 1 season and then he shops the free market. If you think that's worth the #11 pick, Suter, and Beaudin then I think you're insane. We aren't competing for a cup, that's giving up a lot for what?

Butcher is another 1 year rental; again, Hawks have zero rights to him after a season it's highest bidder at that point. He's also a 2nd liner and not much more, so what exactly are you accomplishing by trading Beaudin, Kalynuk after a good first season, Stillman a decent 3rd liner, and Vlassic in the wings? I'm all for trading Zadarov (an RFA not UFA), but bringing in another bottom 4 for what?

There's a reason why fans of the other teams aren't pushing back and even a couple saying Chicago is overpaying here.</div></div>

My apologies for being unclear. The Lindholm trade is predicated on an extension, and I should have made a note of that. I'm happy to make the edit. Re: the Butcher trade, Zadorov is just as likely to be non-tendered as anything else due to his QO. Subban is a tweener and is in the way of Soderbloms development at this point. The pick swap is a mid-round 2nd for a high 3rd, not just a giveaway of a 2nd. Kalynuk is getting top-line minuted in the AHL in this scenario and is likely the first call-up, Beaudin is the odd man out developmentally, and Stillman has the perfect contract for a 6/7D.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 10:46 p.m.

Thread: Blackhawks w EDM NJD ANA Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Chicago declines every trade</div></div>

Lol. As a Hawks fan, if they declined that ANA or NJD trade they’d be very wrong. Arguments could be made with EDM and value, but to say that Lindholm isn’t with a middle first, Beaudin and Suter as an RFA is insane.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.

Thread: Blackhawks w EDM NJD ANA Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Deaner37</b></div><div>I like strome a lot. And like the thought of strome and mcdavid back together. But I think Chicago wouldn’t make that deal</div></div>

I think it's a crapshoot. I originally had it as Holloway + 4th, which seemed more ideal, but I don't know if EDM could tolerate that. Savoie is another option, I suppose, or a higher 2022 pick.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 5:13 p.m.

Thread: Blackhawks w EDM NJD ANA Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil1122</b></div><div>I think the Devils accept

How good is Nordgren?</div></div>

He's a flyer prospect. He's had injury issues, but will play in Liiga this year (and probably for two years), and then shows promise as a middle-6 winger. He may not pan out, but he's not an awful organizational piece.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 3:54 p.m.

Thread: Help for McDrai

Murphy is the Hawks best defender, and Broberg is a LHD...this deal would make more sense to me if you swapped Broberg for Bouchard, which makes less sense for EDM.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.

Thread: Trades

Value is off all over. Too little for Lindholm, too much for Broberg.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 2:53 p.m.

Thread: Get it done

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Not even close to getting Cat. Cat is untouchable but if he was traded it owuld eigther be for a haul or prospects and picks (Holloway+Broberg+2 1sts at least) or more likley a hockey trade for another star</div></div>

This is correct. A trade from EDM for DeBrincat would likely be Bouchard + Holloway + Savoie + 1st for DeBrincat and Vlasic

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 2:44 p.m.

Thread: Huge retool

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>treemos27</b></div><div>Its not a prediction. Just an idea.
Minny might lose Dumba in expansion. Might be better to trade him.
Chicago i dunno. They seem pretty low on Strome right now.</div></div>

I think a 2nd + Lavoie might do it, or adding in Koskinen/Neal and adding more might make more sense.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 2:39 p.m.

Thread: To Ken Holland - The time to contend starts this Fall

A 1st doesn't offload both Koskinen and Neal. Try a 1st + Holloway at minimum. Moving Connolly cost FLA Borgstrom, a 7th, and Stillman for a mediocre rental in Wallmark and a C prospect at best in Carlsson, and Connolly is better and cheaper than Neal.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25, 2021 at 12:55 p.m.

Thread: If I were Holland I spent too much time on this

Koskinen and Neal to CHI would take assets I don't think you're willing to give, Koskinen was not good this year, and even with only one year on his contract there's a much greater than zero chance he gets buried in favor of Soderblom, Delia, or Subban depending on camp. Neal's contract is Neal's contract.

Think Broberg or Bouchard + Holloway + a pick. Hawks could add Vlasic or Krys coming back.

I think EDM would be better served, in all honesty, by trading for Strome and moving Draisatl for a huge haul, and using Strome as a 2C or spot LW as folks develop.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 10, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.

Thread: Dolan mandate -- All in to WIN now -- version 3

Hawks say absolutely not.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 10, 2021 at 1:51 p.m.

Thread: End of Season Moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>With Lankinen Subban likely a .905 tandem and the team being kinda meh it seems fair to say this team is still rebuilding so I don't understand the HL deal</div></div>

The HL deals are in response to the fact that he's only 27. Whereas ANA probably won't want to re-sign him due to the point they're at in rebuild/re-tool land, for the Hawks, who want to still compete with Toews/Kane, extending HL as a long-term 1-3 D makes sense.

I will say I think you need more to finish that deal (think Beaudin or replacing Barratt with someone like Reichel), It makes a ton of sense for ANA and CHI.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 17, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.

Thread: CAR - EDM

Hard pass on the EDM trade.

Strome is more valuable to the Hawks than Broberg, easily. The Hawks already have a glut of young D prospects, if we were to trade it would be for someone who was NHL ready now.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 17, 2020 at 10:23 p.m.

Thread: Dylan strome at the deadline

Yeah, I don't see the Hawks trading their 2/3C who is an RFA and young for a bunch of castoffs and some picks.

Saad would make more sense (although I think he's staying a Hawk). For Saad, I would expect Gagner (to offset salary), a 1st, and a B prospect. Strome fetches more than that.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2019 at 4:11 p.m.

Thread: Likely First 9 - After Dev Camp

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I think it's a bit optimistic to have Nylander on the 2nd line and Boqvist on the top pair. Don't be me wrong, I like Boqvist a lot. He hasn't had to play defense against real men yet. DeHaan to IR yeah, but move Gus to the right and Slater with either Murphy or Seabook. Dahlstrom backing him up. I hear ya though.</div></div>

This is just for the first 9 games. I think Boqvist ends up going back to the AHL, Dach I'm less sure about. I really don't believe the Hawks traded for Nylander to not give him that shot - if he struggles there i imagine him going to play on the top line in Rock Vegas with Sikura.

Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2019 at 5:34 p.m.

Thread: Looks About Right

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>He did that with a shoehorn. But when Calvin De Haan is healthy, is he hoping Duncan Keith catches a cold?</div></div>

De Haan is on IR, not LTIR there - his full cap is counted in the above.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 27, 2019 at 11:00 a.m.

Thread: Unrealistic Chicago trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glc_0908</b></div><div>yeah right, you'd have to move the garden to chicago, inherit the rangers 4 cups, and solve world hunger to trade for kane on this site.</div></div>

I mean, you're talking about a 30 year old winger who is one of the best players in hockey, crucial to the team he plays on, and who has no reason to be traded by said team. Oh, and he's going to be cheaper than most of his younger counterparts shortly, due to cap inflation.

If the Rangers wanted to trade for Kane, it would likely look like Kakko, Skjei, Strome, 2020 1st, and a B+ prospect. Which is why it would never happen for either team.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 21, 2019 at 7:22 p.m.

Thread: Final Pre-Draft ACGM

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsForEver</b></div><div>Montreal isn't trading out of the first round.</div></div>

There have been 10+ rumors about MTL moving that pick for a LHD in the last 24 hours.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 18, 2019 at 7:27 p.m.

Thread: David Clarkson

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy739</b></div><div>VGK has the money to pay the salary
and unless you heard Clarksons annual attempt at returning is going excellent and he'll be in VGK line up then there's no reason to dump a Cap that buried on LTIR for nothing</div></div>

Why does not one here understand LTIR?

They have to shed the salary, or they're pinned with no ability to make any moves within the season. I don't think Hague gets moved, but if I'm the Knights I happily toss someone a 2nd to take Clarkson.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 18, 2019 at 7:24 p.m.

Thread: Sharks 19-20 815 Million Cap

You're 3 contracts short of a full roster, and you lose Simek and Heed next year.

Let Pavs go, man.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 18, 2019 at 1:44 p.m.

Thread: Make it work with a lower cap

I think Meier gets an offer sheet if that's the highest the Sharks can go.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 17, 2019 at 10:06 p.m.

Thread: Pavelski 2020-21

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hawksfan55</b></div><div>This is 20-21 team. Assuming he’s signing a 3 year deal this year. Never thought Pavelski could be a hawks but since the tweet I cant stop imagining him on this team. It would be the most exciting FA signing since Hossa</div></div>

Correct. I think 3/21.5 is about right.

Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 17, 2019 at 10:05 p.m.

Thread: Pavelski Interested in Chicago per Laz

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JarmoK</b></div><div>Vegas has no reason at all to trade Clarkson</div></div>

Except, you know, to have flexibility at the deadline if they can get under the cap in the offseason?

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