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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 10:33 a.m.
Thread: Rangers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>doabarrowroll</b></div><div>Rangers fans generally agree that Nils is pretty much untouchable right now; that changes if DeAngelo is signed long term, but for now, Nils is basically our successor for that spot in the lineup, and having his ELC will be really helpful for the Rangers. I don't know that much about Honka as a prospect but just based on his age I would assume he's probably 2ish years away from the NHL in a best case scenario, and that doesn't really fit the Rangers' timeline. They're not really doing the whole "full rebuild, sell everything" thing anymore. Yeah we traded you Skjei for a 1st, but that was largely motivated by the fact Skjei had a NTC of some kind kicking in and we wanted to get rid of him before it did, similarly to Stepan back in 2017. I think the Rangers would be a bit more interested in some things that are a little more current, that are maybe a year if that from graduating to the NHL. I don't think they'd want to trade their futures for more futures, I think if they're going to sell futures, they'd rather be turning them into something different, probably current assets.

It's not a horrible idea, I think Georgiev to Carolina makes a lot of sense and I think Nils is a good prospect for you to think about if you're not really a fan of Joey Keane, but I'm not sure the return would be something that intrigues the Rangers.</div></div>

^ This..

Can't really put it any better.

If anything, DeAngelo is a more realistic target, he's gotta move for Nils anyway...that we can discuss. Just not for Honka, don't have any real need for a smallish RD with mediocre upside. How about a better C prospect, got any of those?

DeAngelo
Georgiev

for

Ryan Suzuki
Toronto's 1st

With Aho, Trocheck, Staal and Necas all on the current roster, you have less need at C than say the Rangers...who have no need at RD.
In return, you get a 60+ point 25 year old RD entering his prime and under RFA control for the next 3 seasons, and Georgiev.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 10:15 a.m.
Thread: MAGA SQUAD
I am in the camp of the Rangers need a center also. But Max Domi is not the answer.

He's 5'9...is not a full time center, has terrible faceoff numbers...he just isn't an improvement over Strome in the most important areas..just offensively. The Rangers don't lack for goal scoring. Their 2C needs to be a reliable player in his own end who can be deployed to take that tough faceoff with 2 minutes left. A player who can take the burden of defensive zone starts in order to shield Chytil in an important growth year. Domi is not that. He's a nice player with a lot of talent, but he just isn't a fit for what the Rangers need.

Maybe I am wrong and he surprises everyone (doubtful), but what happens if he can't fill the roll? You have ZERO experience behind him to fill the void. You'd have to pray that Chytil can step in and take over. You also don't have room for him on LW, unless your wasting him on the 4th line...so he has no landing spot if he doesn't succeed.

I also don't believe that would be enough for Montreal to be moved to trade him anyway. There has to be a better offer from another team who's bringing him in as a full time LW.

Why are the Sharks, a team clearly in transition, trading for a guy who is 27 years old and about to get paid in the next two years... in exchange for a talented prospect AND a pick?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
Thread: Space for laf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Yeah for sure. He's excellent.

I remember him being a headcase at one point...is that still the case?</div></div>

He has a mouth on him, that is definitely true. It's good because he has balls and doesn't take ****..you need that on teams. It can also be bad if he doesn't shut up and takes penalties...or barks up the wrong tree and the result backfires on the team. He's gotten better, and as he matures I am sure he will continue to reign it in. I think that maturation has bore out in his play, the more focused he is on the game the better he plays. I think he's even outperforming what people thought he would be!

Tons of players around the NHL have the same issue though, I am not sure he stands out anymore than anyone else in that regard.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 11:05 a.m.
Thread: A Better Strome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>No one has to be moved as far as wingers. The only players that really have to be moved for the development of other players are Strome, Trouba and Howden.

Strome blocks Chytil from getting into the top 6 for as long as he's here
Trouba blocks Fox or Deangelo from getting into the top 4 and Nils from getting into the lineup
Howden has a negative effect on pretty much anyone he's on a line with.

So you have a choice with Strome. Either you trade him for a 3C and a pick (Think young and cost controlled like Faksa, Jost, Kerfoot, Copp, etc etc), or you deal him for picks/prospects, and then try and bundle that and the 1st you should get for Trouba to get essentially your future Zibanejad replacement 1C, whether that's Cirelli or Nylander.</div></div>

And here I thought we were agreeing lol!

Strome is just a stopgap, I agree. It would be nice if he took 3C money and kept Chytil's (or a more capable 2C who gets brought in) spot warm, but that ain't gonna happen.

I don't agree however, that he is holding up Chytil's development. He isn't ready to compete as a 2C, he'd be on the losing end of that the majority of the season, and it would hurt his growth overall. On faceoffs alone, he's even worse than Strome...by a significant amount! He'd have much more responsibility and no protection blanket being the 2C. His line would be pinned in on the regular, and that would really hurt the production of Panarin and the growth of Kakko! He just hasn't proven that he is a true NHL center...plain and simple. He absolutely deserves the chance to prove that...but at 2C the team would move backwards if he fails.
The following season? If he makes strides under protected minutes at 3C, then I am all for it! He should be used as 3C, the ENTIRE upcoming season...none of this LW flip flopping...let him audition for the job.

Strome's contract situation is the real issue, because the timeline doesn't match up with Chytil being ready for 2C. I am really not sure what can be done about it, like you said. You either deal him for a different safety blanket who would cost less...or round up some assets and go bigger. <strong>That's what I was doing for Danault! lol</strong>

Fox is great, I love him..but he's not a 1RHD. His defensive game is never going to be <strong>that</strong> good. He's slick. smart...has great instincts...sounds like a Fox! But he's not up to the physical requirement for a 1RHD. Trouba is where he belongs, and I really wish fans would just give him a moment to prove what he's worth, the guy just turned 26! He was the Rangers best defenseman during the qualifier...by a long shot!

DeAngelo...is the one that gets moved. Nils is a much more balanced player, and DeAngelo has less years of contract control than both Nils and Fox. He's also worse in his own end than Fox, and for all his offensive upside (which is significant and impressive!), the Rangers have plenty of that. Fox, Trouba and eventually Lundkvist will be more than enough to provide the necessary offense. Deangelo gets moved for something the teams needs to become a true contender.

Howden...I agree...is not the answer..even at 4C. Rangers should give him the shot going into this season and let him prove what he is...but I see that ending with him not being up to the task. As a 4LW, I wouldn't mind him...problem is there are guys on the team that can do that, and probably better. I don't however think he's blocking anyone...if say for example Morgan Barron proves to be a better answer, Howden is gonna start catching scratches.

I think I can guess that your ire over Howden is Quinn's maddening desire to stick with him. And I agree to an extent. But I think the reasoning is somewhat sound. They see the way he plays the game and hope that he can improve in the areas he is deficient. I just (like you), don't believe that his talent is enough to make that happen.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 10:38 a.m.
Thread: 2020-21
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BSpadaro83</b></div><div>Think your years are a bit weird for signings and dont get the Smith salary dump part of the deal. If you assume Hank does NYR a solid and retires the goat in franchise history, gets his number insta retired first night with fans etc, then you dont need to pay a higher package price to dump him. Just park him in the AHL if you want him off roster.

Strome is unequivocally not signing a 2 year deal. It will either be a 1 year deal or 6+. He is one year from UFA, if he goes to Arbitration since they wont sign him long term the award can only be a 1 year deal. Same as Hayes.

ADA seems like a more logical signing for another 1 year deal since he is 3 seasons from UFA. You could do a 2 year bridge to put him at the same place as Strome is now, but I think you could beat his number lower on a one year deal and kick the can down the road a year again, see what he really is.

The Lemiuex and Georgiev deals also take them to UFA, so you either want to go shorter or longer and maintain your leverage points. 2 year deals for either make sense, especially since BL is being exposed in the expansion draft.</div></div>

^ This..

The deals are out of wack on the years. Strome has been waiting for his payday, he isn't going to take a short term unless he magically gets overpaid.

There is no need to pay extra for someone to eat Smith's money...he's done in one season regardless and the Rangers aren't as against the cap as it looks. You can easily buyout Staal for the needed cash, and that's not even relying on Hank's retirement.

A 1 year is definitely the safe play with DeAngelo, especially because I see him getting moved eventually with Fox on the roster and a spot being needed for Lundkvist.

If you are bringing in Schmaltz, then Strome has no purpose and is only log jamming on RW. While on the subject, is Schmaltz really an upgrade over Strome? I am not sure he is. Younger yes, but like Strome he isn't too hot on faceoffs. Is this an upside thing? Because the guy has quietly been around for 5 seasons now, sounds an awful lot like...Strome! lol

IMO, better to use Buch and say Strome in a deal for a stronger upgrade.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 10:15 a.m.
Thread: A Better Strome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>Strome actually hits UFA in 1 year, I actually had the idea of deangelo over strome</div></div>

Yes, that's my mistake. I mixed up his info with DeAngelo when I bridged him.

I also thought of DeAngelo, but kind of felt like DeAngelo and Buchnevich is an overpayment. DeAngelo is a 24 year old 60+ point RHD under RFA control, their cost is insane to acquire.




However...if that got it done, I wouldn't cry. Fox and DeAngelo are interchangeable for the Rangers, and space eventually needs to be made for Lundkvist.

Buch is a casualty of just having too many of the same type of player on the roster (not his fault!). Mostly play makers who shoot second (with the exception of Kreider and maybe Kakko). You aren't moving Panarin or Kakko, can't move Kreider, need space for Lafreniere..and the rest of the wingers don't have enough value yet to make the trade work. Sorry Buch!
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 10:01 a.m.
Thread: A Better Strome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsFuture</b></div><div>I'll start by staying I don't watch the NYR much or know much about the team/players.

MTL has LD prospects so unless Hajek can be a partner for Weber (which I don't think so, I could be wrong), he doesn't really help. Buchnevich 100% helps MTL's offense (Im a big fan of his so I might be biased) but I dont think MB wants to bring in someone with Andersson personality issues.</div></div>

Thanks for that!

I also have to admit I don't make a habit of watching Montreal's games, I just catch whatever is being shown on TV.

Hajek doesn't project as a 1LD, definitely not. But in looking over who Montreal sent out last season, outside of Mete..I don't see anyone who has the upside that Hajek would present. Let's just say he under-achieves and lands at 3LD on the team...he's the third piece in the deal. Buch is the main carrot, and Strome at this point in time also has more value. If he hits 2LD which is where I would expect his talent levels out, even better!

i realize that Danault is good, but it wouldn't be a balanced trade if one side gets 3 top tier players in exchange for 1 top tier player..there has to be a win and lose on both sides for the trade to work.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 9:52 a.m.
Thread: A Better Strome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>oh you're misinterpreting my comment. Danault's a rental and thus a terrible target for the Rangers who have way too much dead cap to be a cup contender next season.

Add to that Buch has had almost double Danault's on-ice value the last 2 season and the trade gets bad fast really fast:

<a href="https://ibb.co/3cZRRxp" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/fHwDD3k/Screen-Shot-2020-08-24-at-4-29-22-AM.png" alt="Screen-Shot-2020-08-24-at-4-29-22-AM"></a>

You're going to want to reconsider how you evaluate Buch, he's a very very good player.

The trade kinda works if you drop Buch and the 2nd and swap Danault for Domi.</div></div>

I like it, thanks for clarifying! But...your comment was "LOL", can you blame me for misinterpreting? lol

I am not sure that Danault offers any more of an obstacle to resign than Strome does. Yes, he does have control over himself at contracts end vs Strome does not at the moment...but I think that's something that can be worked out before the deal. If he doesn't express a desire to stick around (which why wouldn't he want to stick with the Rangers?), then yeah I would agree he isn't the correct target.

But if he does, he fits the mold of what the Rangers need. Defensively focused, faceoff winning, who isn't inept on offense. With the Wingers the Rangers will deploy with him, and Mika..Danault would likely be able to achieve what Strome has offensively, while being an upgrade in other areas.

I don't deny Buch's value at all, I agree that he is a very good player. But being that someone has to be moved as far as wingers, tell me who should be moved in his place? Especially since Kreider now cannot be moved. Strome and pieces would not net a player that moves the needle for the Rangers. Conversely, any center that fits what the Rangers need is either going to cost, or isn't available. Hence maybe overpaying by including Buch.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 24, 2020 at 9:28 a.m.
Thread: A Better Strome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LumberJacques</b></div><div>People might think higher of Strome if he could do something without Panarin or Tavares holding his hand. His ppg goes down to about 0.426 without them. Just by removing his last season his ppg goes down to 0.463 so that's quite the asterisk.

I also think you are vastly overvalueing Hajek. If he can't play above Staal or Smith in the lineup I doubt he'd be of much help to MTL.</div></div>

Fair points, we could debate the Strome thing but I certainly can't say there isn't merit to the argument. But again, I don't deny which player is better...this is why Buchnevich is in the deal.

As for Hajek, he was playing first pair before he was injured. While I don't think it's fair to say that means he's a first pair guy, I does speak to what the Rangers believe his talent level is. Yes, he has to prove that, but in the event that he comes close to that...he and Buchnevich easily push the trade in Montreal's favor.

I completely understand the value being placed on Danualt, I wouldn't be offering a trade for him if it weren't valid. Any counter offers?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2020 at 10:44 p.m.
Thread: A Better Strome
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>LOL</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KINGS67</b></div><div>That doesn’t get you Danault</div></div>

...that's it? lol riveting!

Danault: 339 games 50g 125a = 175p = .516 ppg
Strome: 491 games 95g 159a = 254p = .517 ppg
Both 27, both C's, both 1st rounders,
Strome is an RFA, but can't gain his UFA for another 2 seasons...whereas Danault is free to walk after next season.

I openly admitted Danault is better, I would not bother to argue something that isn't clearly true, it's the entire reason for the deal on the Rangers end. But the gap isn't that great between them. By all means, give me evidence to the contrary.

And the rest of the pieces in the deal?? Buchnevich doesn't significantly increase Montreal's offense? Hajek isn't a potential upgrade over the guys Montreal ran out there this season?

lets talk!
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2020 at 6:31 p.m.
Thread: Tarasenko
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aspina25</b></div><div>You don't want to have to rely on a guy who had some of the worst stats in the league last year to produce.</div></div>

Who do you mean? Kakko? lol? The guy was 18 years old playing paltry third line minutes on the youngest team in the league. Are you implying he's a bust? All of a sudden he isn't the Rangers 1RW of the future? With that logic, lets do this instead....swing a three team deal and send Tarasenko to the Devils ....just have them send Hughes to the Rangers since he's a bust too! Makes more sense already! lol

I truly don't understand the logic behind your statement at all, but I'll take a stab at a reply anyway...

Yes, the Rangers <strong>DO</strong> want to rely on him, that's why they drafted him. Moving him to the 2nd line is the logical progression for his growth. If he isn't somehow up to the task (doubtful)...the Rangers (again) have RW options up and down the lineup who can easily step in. Strome had a career year and Panarin was on pace for 100 points playing with JESPER FAST as their RW lol. Kakko will do just fine!

I'm going to predict it now, Kreider or Panarin see time at RW this season, and I have a feeling Buch gets moved. Not because they need RW's, but because they have to make space for Lafreniere to get top 6 minutes, it would be foolish to do otherwise. Which just underlines the fact that Kakko needs to also be getting top 6 minutes this season. A mix of say:

Panarin Mika Kakko
Laffy Strome Kreider...

or

Laffy Mika Kreider
Panarin Strome Kakko

Gives both lines a kid with two vets to carry the weight and teach them a thing or two.

I will say it again because winning the first pick in the draft seems to have given people amnesia. The Rangers are the youngest team in the league! Hence <strong>R E B U I L D I N G</strong>! Having your draft picks grow into the lineup and become what you'd hoped is part of that process. The idea that they suddenly trade assets for a 28 year old (as great as he is) $8m player who plays a position you're loaded at....to stunt the growth of all of your other winger prospects in the organization....is completely counter to what the Rangers plan has been over the last 3 seasons! You don't go 3/4 of one season into Kakko's progress (not to mention Kravtsov) and just give up on the guy by putting a bunch of veterans in his way. For better or worse, their playing this kid and are going to give him every opportunity to prove he can't do the job. I would really question Gorton's and JD's thinking if they did otherwise!

Again, the clear and glaring need is at 2C. Trading 2 1st rounders, a potential starting goalie and a 2/3LD should be able to easily solve that issue, and would be a much better use of their assets.

Sorry, I assumed you were a Ranger fan. Being a Blues fan helps explain the proposal as a feeler without a firm understanding of what the org thinks of Kakko or the team as a whole. But again...as someone familiar with the Rangers, this deal just doesn't work.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
Thread: Crazy Move
Who is playing 1RD for the Rangers? OEL is LD.

I like Fox very much, but he's no defensive juggernaut. DeAngelo is even worse in his own end. The Rangers would take a step backwards defensively if nothing else.

Also, if Trouba is good enough to get the Coyotes to take Smith in the deal, then why are the Rangers trading him? I think this stuff about Trouba being overpaid is overblown, the guy has had 3/4 of a season and we're already shipping him off. I'd like to think that qualifying round Trouba is a lot closer to what we can expect, but either way let's relax a little and give the guy a chance to prove himself.

I would not mind a smaller deal for Stepan at all, if the price is right it would be a nice grab....eeeexcept for the cap issues it brings on. Stepan makes too much for a player who would project to be a 3C during the course of his contract.

It would probably be smarter to bridge Strome with a modest raise (he'd still be RFA amazingly), and address it down the road. Then you'd have a better picture of who both Strome and Chytil really are.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 23, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.
Thread: Tarasenko
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aspina25</b></div><div>It doesn't matter what you need, you don't pass up the opportunity for an elite player in his prime.

This takes pressure off of Kakko. We already know that Strome is capable of holding his own when he's got Panarin on his wing and having Buch on the other one will only further that. You'd have 2 lines that would each easily be #1 lines on half the teams in the league and you'd have a third line with 2 highly touted prospects and a strong Filip Chytil</div></div>

It doesn't matter what you need? Huh? lol

What pressure? Kakko played the entire season on the third line! The Rangers have been super patient and slow with him, if anything they need to push him up the lines and give him more ice time..not less! This would relegate him to 3rd line minutes...that does nothing for his growth. The Rangers have a veteran presence all over the lineup, it's part of the beauty of their rebuild..there is no pressure on Kakko..at all!

The Rangers have their elite winger in Panarin..I'd be much more concerned about developing Kakko and Laffy to join that status, not stunt them in favor of an necessary piece of eye-candy.

I love the enthusiasm, I don't want to come off as a jerk..we are all Ranger fans...but these points are just silly!