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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 3, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ISUAvsFan45</b></div><div>Did I miss something about Makar’s contract cause he has 4 years left currently and would be 3 given the season of your ACGM.</div></div>

Hello ISUAvsFans45,

My point is that tying yourselves with the deal I have given Toews would handcuff your team greatly. Makar likely gets $13-$14 million at that point, Rantanen gets $11.5-$12 million, Byram could get $7-8 if he is healthy. The team needs to be able to supplement the rest of the roster, and if Colorado re-signs Toews, it becomes very difficult to keep the band together without having an enormously top heavy roster. I am a Leafs fan and have experienced this myself.

As I mentioned in a previous message to another commenter, I think Colorado would be wise to use that money upfront to bring in more middle-six forwards. Nathan Mackinnon is fantastic, but when he gets hurt, there is really nothing behind him at centre.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 3, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Avsfantrumpetman</b></div><div>I just don't know if our front office is in the business of giving term to guys who will be past 35 when that deal expires. I have no clue how the Toews stuff is gonna turn out if I'm honest.</div></div>

Hello Avsfantrumpetman,

Thank you for the feedback!

In my opinion, I honestly think it would be wise for Colorado to consider alternatives to signing Toews. You guys need to make sure there is enough money to keep Rantanen, Makar, and Byram once they expire. I also believe that an area of weakness when I look at Colorado is depth forwards, primarily up the middle. A lot of what your team does is going to depend on how Ryan Johansen fares in his first full season with the team. I would personally be inclined to use the money you would be giving Toews to add second line players and rebuild the depth upfront that was lost when guys like Kadri and Burakovsky left Colorado after your cup win. If Byram stays healthy, I would be content to run with Makar, Byram, Girard, and Manson as my top-four D core. Just my own thoughts and would like to here where you are at with this.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 3, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MeetYourMakar</b></div><div>Toews is would be a pending ufa so he cant get 8 years anywhere other than Colorado unless he's moves before the tdl or december. There's a cut off date somewhere

At 8.25, I think the Avs keep him. Giving him the 8th year will likely save the Avs a millie</div></div>

Hello MeetYourMakar,

Thank you for the feedback!

The Leafs actually would be able to give him 8 years in this instance, that is the whole point of us trading for him before the July 1st window. For reference, you can look at the Damon Severson trade that Columbus made with New Jersey in June. They acquired his rights to allow them to offer the 8 year deal. This was also something Toronto almost did with Edmonton when Zach Hyman was about to hit free agency. I believe Holland was willing to give us a fifth round pick to acquire Hyman and extend him for 8 years. Dubas wanted more so they just waited until the July 1st window and gave him 7 years instead.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 6, 2023 at 9:13 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023-24 Trade Deadline Moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Many Leafs fans will hate that Cbus trade.

Nashville can probably get a bit better or more for Trenin, not sure if they have any interest in trading him though.</div></div>

I think there definitely would be Leafs fan who dislike the trade initially, I am a Leafs fan myself, but I really believe it's important for our front office staff to plan for the next three seasons money situation appropiately. I would prefer that we look for team friendly contracts with high upside, then draft a player in the end of the first round who may not contribute until Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are in their early 30s. That being said, if we are able to improve the team without trading a 1st, I am all for it. I just look at the Jake McCabe trade as a good example of finding value with a future pick at a super cheap rate with medium term, and I think this is something Treliving can replicate if he finds the right fit.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 22, 2023 at 7:32 p.m.
Thread: Leafs got the whole league scared now
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Leafs bottom 6 is going to be very good. They have a lot of depth. Gambrell won't be in it.

Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok as a 3rd line would be a lot of fun. Jarnkrok dropped 20 and 20 this past year
Kampf is a super defensive, hard working C. Lafferty can play all 3 positions very well and is super speedy. Reaves is what he is. I would prefer a different option but he will only play 4-6 mins a game anyways.

Outside of that we have

McCmann-Holmberg-Steeves (all can confortably play in the NHL) and we have Gambrell as another depth piece.

Leafs bottom 6 will be just fine.

Biggest issue I see with this team, is they are lacking size and physicality in their D.</div></div>

Hello TML Brian,

Thank you for the feedback! One thing I will say is that I think Dylan Gambrell has a pretty decent chance of starting with the Leafs currently just because he is capable of playing centre on the penalty kill. Outside of Kampf, the rest of the centres on the pk will be by committee IMO (Lafferty, Jarnkrok, Gambrell, etc.). I really like Pontus Holmberg and would consider slotting him ahead of Gambrell, but I feel that the organization is going to send Holmberg down anyways since its probably a close call and he can clear waivers and play more minutes. Just my two cents, you totally could be right about Gambrell but we will have to see the opening night lineup. I would say Robertson starts with the Marlies too barring him dominating pre-season. With the Marlies, Robertson can regain his confidence having missed so many games last year. I personally think that would be best for Robertson's progression but I would love to hear what you think about my perspective!
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 8:22 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving in the Kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Seravalli tweeted or said on podcast that they turned down a 1st and 2nd from the Blues. Di Marco and Friedman both talked about the Flyers turning down offers for Laughton and Pagnotta tweeted the Sens were very interested. On one of the Snow the Goalie podcasts, Ant San Philly talked about Briere’s ask for both Hart and TK. Ant San Philly and Di Marco are both Philly’s main insiders that always leak everything before it happens and are very well connected.</div></div>

Fair enough, I believe you. I just found the Seravalli report online. I think turning down a first and second for Laughton is insanity if they are cool with moving him. Maybe Briere wants him around for the start of the rebuild for a veteran presence. No chance he gets offered more than that for him again barring him turning into a 65 point guy, the only incentive to taking him is the term at $3,000,000. The other thing too is that St. Louis literally had 3 first rounders this year so there is less incentive for them to hold onto your 1st rounders.

From the outside looking in, I personally see Laughton's value as maybe two 2nds, or a 2nd and a 3rd, plus a mid-tier prospect. Nothing more, Leafs can find someone like him elsewhere if need be.

In my opinion, Travis Konecny ideally is worth a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a decent prospect. Either this or something equal to that package. I honestly will be surprised if your team gets substantially more, but I can appreciate Philadelphia setting a price, and fans such as yourself expecting more based on reports. I respect that.

From my perspective as a Leafs fan, if we were to trade Nylander or Marner, as heavily rumoured throughout the league, I would have huge expectations. But I know deep down that I may be disappointed in the return simply because of the salary cap climate in the league.

I appreciate you telling me about these reports, I enjoy learning more from fans of different teams. I disagree about the return but maybe when/if TK is traded we can circle back and see what the return ends up being. Thanks for sharing, I always enjoy the debate, all the best!
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 7:25 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving in the Kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>TK for two 1sts (not enough Briere wants more)
3rd for 50% retention on TK
Laughton for 2nd and Brodie (Brodie = 2nd according to you) yet the Flyers turned down a 1st and a 2nd for him already but they would accept less than that now?

Ur forgetting one thing every time u post that Briere doesn’t need to move either player unless his asking price is met.</div></div>

What insiders did you see this from though? You keep saying this is Briere's ask but there is no proof anywhere that this is his ask. Where did you see this and how do you know he's going to get it? Jakob Chychrun's ask was multiple 1sts, and Arizona didn't get that, so teams set these parameters all the time, it doesn't mean it materializes.

Here is a link showing the ask from last October reported by Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek. In hindsight we now know what they got in return was not equal to the ask.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/coyotes-want-to-trade-chychrun-but-price-remains-high/

Also how do we know Briere turned down a first and second for Laughton??? Briere has only been on the job for 4 months, there isn't enough evidence that he always gets exactly what he wants in trades, that's my point.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving in the Kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Thank you for proving my point. Your examples aren't even close the Nylander situation.

Now think. Can you think of an example where a CONTENDING Cup team, tells one of star players, who has one year left on his contract ....."We want your ass off this team, so hurry and sign a contract with a team of our choice so we can trade you. And if you can't come to an agreement, you are welcome back to our team for a Cup run.

CONTENDING teams acquire upcoming UFAs all the time, especially at TDL knowing full well they won't be resigning those players.

Dubois and DeBrincat were not under contract as July 1st. they were going to be RFAs, so they had the right to negotiate all teams on July 1st. The Kings and Wings, and those two players made a conditional offer as long as trade could be worked out, without going the league's compensation rules, or the Jets/Sens and bypassing the Jets/Sens being able to match if there were offer sheets

Horvat was on. a non playoff team was going to a UFA in a few months and was traded to team that was trying to make a playoffs playoff team.....that happens all the time, and isn't similar to the situation your Nylander scenario.

The actual trade for Tkachuk was good for both teams. The Flames were under no obligation to sign Huberdeau and Weager. They could have been Flames for a year and left as UFAs or the Flames could have traded them at TDL for futures. Huberdeau looks like the worse contract in the league. 10.5m X 8 for a likely declining winger whose deal starts at 30 years of age.

Calgary, gee they can't make the playoffs last season, with all their upcoming UFA....Lindholm, Backlund, Hanifan, Zaradov, and Toffelli. Makes sense if the Flames don't think they are playoff or certainly Cup contenders to trade those player....Toffelli has already been traded.
The Flames situation compared to the Leafs isn't similar at all.

Leafs have Matthews, Nylander, Bertuzzi, Brodie, Domi all upcoming UFA. By your logic shouldn't the Leafs allow those five upcoming UFAs to negotiate extensions with other teams now.

Yep, Thinking players under contract from contending team being allowed to negotiate a contract with another team, is craziness. Just doesn't happen.</div></div>

William Nylander would be given permission to speak to teams that are not on his no-trade list if the Leafs wanted to though? They could literally just tell you we aren't meeting $10,000,000 and then trade him, the whole RFA / UFA thing doesn't really matter in this circumstance, it's the team control that matters. Another example of this is Hampus Lindholm when he got traded from Anaheim to Boston he immediately signed an 8 year extension that was pre-approved. Calgary is in a weird spot where they are too good to tank, they had a better record than Florida last year so they could easily bounceback and in my mind will treat this season as playoffs or bust.

If Calgary gave him the money he wants I think he would definitely do it. If he plays the year out and has a bad year or gets hurt he might not get $10,000,000 next summer.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving in the Kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Flyers definitely decline this, I would barely accept this for TK with retention</div></div>

Hello GMDannyB,

What do you want me to add hahahahaha. Also what insiders are telling you that your boy TK gets more? I'm giving you Brodie (2nd plus prospect at deadline), two firsts that you keep vouching for, a second, and a third. Laughton is a third liner on a deep playoff team, he won't get the power-play time that Philly gave him in most other teams.

When Alex Debrincat had more team control at the 2022 draft, Ottawa gave up 7th overall, a 2nd, and a third for what could have been two years of control, exact same as TK. You are getting 2 firsts, 1 second, 1 third, plus Brodie which again is a 2nd and a prospect at the deadline. Brodie also can help guide Cam York on the blueline as his partner until you trade him.

I'm not even rattled I'm just amazed that you think TK is any different than the other players that I have mentioned here and in the previous thread. Genuinely curious where you are at with this and what insiders you have heard say that he gets more.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 5:47 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving in the Kitchen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>More craziness about an extension just to make a trade.</div></div>

Hello palhal,

What about trading Nylander in a sign-and-trade is craziness? Dubois, Debrincat, and Horvat are just a few recent examples where this has also taken place. The Flames also extended Huberdeau and Weegar immediately after acquiring them last summer. Calgary is desperate for scoring help and there would be a huge incentive for them to acquire him now so they can get a head start in signing him. They just traded away Tyler Toffoli who was their only 30 goal scorer last season, and there are concerns about other players in the final of their contracts leaving for nothing. They also get the advantage of being able to offer the extra year.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving is the Cook of the Year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Dude u just compared two defenseman to TK lol. You also compared ANOTHER two guys that wanted out lol. JK publicly wanted out of Arizona and every Flyers fan knew Provy wanted out. Provy has also absolutely sucked for the last 2 seasons whereas TK just had his best season of his career on a horrible team which Provy massively helped be horrible lol. Then you compare Nylander, a guy who only has 1 year left on his contract who wants $10M+ which is almost double what TK makes and everyone on earth knows Toronto can’t pay him that so he is also basically out the door. You haven’t named a single player like Tk yet that is an actual comparable lol</div></div>

If you can actually name and cite an NHL insider who has gone on record saying that Konecny is worth two firsts then I will agree with you, but you mentioned that all insiders say this earlier in the thread and I just haven't seen anyone saying that myself. I also don't see why we can't compare Chychrun to Konecny, their contracts expire at the same time and both teams could've waited as long as they would like to move them.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 16, 2023 at 1:07 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving is the Cook of the Year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>Uh every single reporter and insider said TK will get more simply because the other two guys quite literally forced their way out of the their teams and their teams had no leverage. Sorry but ur just wrong. U can read anything and everyone will tell you the same thing. A cheap contract for another 2 years is totally different compared to PLD and ADB needing big contracts and forcing their way out lol, if you don’t see the difference then that’s on you. Briere literally doesn’t have to trade him, if you want him u have to meet his asking price which is more than two 1sts from what he has said. This also doesn’t change the fact you literally didn’t pay for Laughton and probably didn’t even pay enough to dump Murray. We aren’t simultaneously wildly helping your cap situation out on multiple ends while giving you 3 of our players for pennies on the dollar. Everyone knows the Leafs cap situation and if you want to get out of it you have to pay up</div></div>

I chose those two guys more because they are so recent. Even Provorov didn't get two firsts when your own team traded him and you had to eat Cal Petersen who is like a slightly more reasonable version of Matt Murray. I'd probably throw in the Calgary 2025 2nd max. Another good comparable is Jakob Chychrun, the Sens gave up a mid first, and two seconds for a guy on an even better contract. I'm not even expecting multiple firsts in a William Nylander trade, just different parts based on the current market. Although Nylander has one less year, he is more talented than Konecny and has a better AAV when comparing their numbers year over year.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2023 at 4:04 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving MasterChef
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ComixZone</b></div><div>Nylander definitely scratches an itch for the Flames, but if Lindholm isn’t here then it’s a rebuild for the Flames.

I look at Toronto’s needs and wonder about a three-way:

To Toronto: Chris Tanev, Mikael Backlund (50% retained), 2024 1st round pick (PIT), 2025 3rd round pick (PIT), Owen Pickering

To Pittsburgh: Noah Hanifin

To Calgary: William Nylander (+ cap dump not named Murray if needed).

I definitely think Nylander is of interest for Calgary, just not without Lindholm. Without Lindholm, the Flames are beginning to enter tankville.</div></div>

Also what about Connor Zary filling that third line centre spot and having Backlund and Kadri platoon the top six centre spots? Both played full 82 games last season and averaged a similar amount of minutes to Lindholm according to QuantHockey, so although you would be losing your best centre you are acquiring a better player in Nylander and have guys who at least can keep up with those minutes?

Without Toffoli, your next highest scorer last season was Kadri at 24 goals. That's just not going to cut it for a playoff team to lack that much offense whether Lindholm is there or not.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.
Thread: Brad Treliving MasterChef
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ComixZone</b></div><div>Nylander definitely scratches an itch for the Flames, but if Lindholm isn’t here then it’s a rebuild for the Flames.

I look at Toronto’s needs and wonder about a three-way:

To Toronto: Chris Tanev, Mikael Backlund (50% retained), 2024 1st round pick (PIT), 2025 3rd round pick (PIT), Owen Pickering

To Pittsburgh: Noah Hanifin

To Calgary: William Nylander (+ cap dump not named Murray if needed).

I definitely think Nylander is of interest for Calgary, just not without Lindholm. Without Lindholm, the Flames are beginning to enter tankville.</div></div>

Fair enough, but what about the rumours about Lindholm wanting out of Calgary next summer? My thinking is similar that they would be foolish to not trade him at some point this season and lose him for nothing. I think they have a much better shot at re-tooling if they start now than to wait until the deadline or go for playoffs. This team simply can't come near the bottom of the standings, if this team goes tank mode without Lindholm, you guys have enough solid players to keep your team from completely bottoming out. I wouldn't even call it a tank, it would be similar to where Nashville is at right now in that middle ground. The Leafs would also be taking on all the risk similar to what you guys did last summer with the Tkachuk trade. Just curious what your thinking is.

I like the return you have made for the return for Toronto in the trade in terms of value, but Leafs really need to swing for the fences I can't see them being overly keen on Backlund. Smart trade though I wouldn't have thought of mixing a third team into it.