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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2022 at 4:15 p.m.
Thread: Stand Pat
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruins1054_gmb</b></div><div>I do not like the market this year. The biggest positions of need seem to be 1RW and 2C, neither of which will come cheap or have many options available. A LHD grouping of Grzelcyk, Reilly, and Forbort could be upgraded, but if you look at the defensive metrics for all three of those players, they have all been very effective.</div></div>

If I told you the B's could get Connor Garland and Justin Braun for say Jake DeBrusk, a second or third rounder, and another couple mid-round picks or B-level prospects, would you still stand pat? I agree that now doesn't appear to be the time to solve the long-term holes at center and LD1. But I think replacing Clifton at RD3 and swapping out DeBrusk at RW1 would be a huge boost. Maybe add one additional depth player for cheap and I would call that a great deadline.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2022 at 4:02 p.m.
Thread: Stand Pat
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruins1054_gmb</b></div><div>I understand disagreeing with standing pat. What I don't understand is why everyone thinks this team goes into full rebuild once Bergeron is gone. A foundation of Pastrnak, Marchand, Hall, McAvoy, and Swayman is too much to ever be at a point of non-contention. The Bruins will need another top 6 C sooner than later, but that does not mean they have to give up their top and mid-range assets to try to win this year because it's hopeless in the future without Bergeron. The Bruins can continue to be a playoff team for years to come. That's what great franchises do. They are always competitive and seldom have to enter a rebuild, which is never a guarantee. Look at Buffalo.</div></div>

Oh I agree. I don't think they're hopeless at all once Bergeron is gone, especially with the likes of Bo Horvat, J.T. Miller, and Ryan O'Reilly hitting free agency in 2023. I just don't want to stand pat while Bergeron is here. I say keep your best assets but be willing to move anything else to fill in the gaps this year.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2022 at 3:25 p.m.
Thread: Stand Pat
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KennyBoi</b></div><div>At this point in time of where the Bruins are, those 3 pieces need to be untouchables unless the Jacobs are fine with becoming the next Sens or Red Wings for half a decade.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>The bruins have a 24 year old franchise defensemen, a 25 year old number 2 D locked up for 6 years, a 23 year old goalie that last time i checked led the league in GAA, a 25 year old who has led the league in goals, and a top five player in hte NHL, who while 33, doesn’t really appear to be slowing down.

What on earth are you talking about?</div></div>

Both of these things can be true. I don't agree at all that the Bruins are destined for a rebuild but in a salary cap league you also need to draft and develop and Lysell looks like a potential star and Lohrei a lock as a top-four defenseman at a position of need. You don't move either for a rental and I don't think you move Lysell at all. If Lohrei is going, a long-term top-pair LD a la Chychrun needs to be coming back and the rest of the package can't be too extreme. The 2023 first also needs to be reserved for a long-term add.

As for the idea that the B's should stand pat, I completely disagree. The market will settle closer to the deadline and if high prices stick for term players, so be it. There are only so many runs left with Bergeron. Either find some defensive depth and top-six forward to rent for a good price or swing for the fences with a long-term add at LD1, RW1, or C2. Don't be stupid with your most valuable pieces but don't protect them on principal alone. Most importantly, don't do nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2022 at 12:43 p.m.
Thread: Bertuzzi
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Olson does not project to be an NHLer. Beecher projects to be a 4th liner who has produced little offense in college. Debrusk is closer to a detriment than he is an asset at this point. You have no primary piece in the Wings trade ie a 1st or a high end prospect. Just a bunch of meh.

Think you overvalue here.</div></div>

Just writing off Olson because you don't know anything about him is silly. He's a 20-year-old kid with three NCAA seasons under his belt already having a better season than say Karson Kuhlman ever did at UMD. But sure he doesn't project to be an NHLer you say. I'm including him in a deal for Derrick Brassard, a 34-year-old UFA on a definite seller who has been injured for much of the year. Flyers would absolutely take Olson for him and you yourself already said a 3rd gets Braun.

Beecher is also just 20 with three NCAA seasons and has been buried on the Michigan depth chart and dealt with injuries last year. There is still too much unknown to call him fourth line or bust. I'm not alone in maintaining value on him either. He's still considered a top-five Bruins prospect by most.

I'm no DeBrusk fan, but to call him a detriment is not fair. In a regular top-six role in Detroit, who has the cap space to give him a look, he's probably a 20/40 guy. The Wings only have three forwards with over 30 points right now, one of which is Bertuzzi. They could use DeBrusk.

Think you undervalue here.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2022 at 12:13 p.m.
Thread: Bertuzzi
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Both are declined pretty quickly.

3rd might get you Braun. Olson and Seny have little to no value.

Bertuzzi starts with a 1st.

Nobody is taking Debrusk without an extension with a paycut in place unless they are giving up little.</div></div>

I don't follow your logic. "Both are declined pretty quickly" but "3rd might get Braun" in a trade that includes a third? Brassard is not worth that much given his season to say the trade is declined quickly even though Braun, the more valuable piece, is worth the third leaving Olson and Senyshyn for Brassard. Olson is himself a recent third-round pick and the top play-maker on one of the best teams in the NCAA - not exactly "little to no value". Senyshyn is just a throw in as he has requested a trade and Philly can give him a look down the stretch before he's a UFA.

As for the Bertuzzi deal, you all may be right that it's not enough. I think that's very possible. However I also think the vaccine issue hurts his value and the return is being underrated. DeBrusk has already said he's willing to sign an extension below his QO, which makes him more valuable to Detroit. The Wings are no longer in the early stages of a rebuild and could use a player in his prime in return for Bertuzzi. If anyone outside of Boston has a good read on Beecher, it's Detroit who watched him play down the road at Michigan the last three years. He's still considered the Bruins' first or second-best center prospect, which is what the Wings need. I personally believe that Beecher has the physical tools to be a late bloomer in the pros and I didn't give him up easily. Berglund is a tough call because I have not been impressed with his progression, but some prospect pundits still like his potential. If bumping up the pick to a second or conditional first (w/ strict conditions) or "upgrading" Beecher to Steen or Studnicka or Berglund to Ahcan, Mast, or Gallagher gets the job done, I would still make the deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 16, 2022 at 10:55 a.m.
Thread: Luke Kunin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Kunin's ceiling is bottom-6. No thanks.</div></div>

I agree, but I don't think that rules out a trade. DeBrusk's inconsistent effort makes him a poor fit for top-six OR bottom-six, whereas at least Kunin competes hard and could be a successful bottom-six forward with above average offensive upside in that role. Who knows what the forward corps looks like moving forward, especially in the bottom six with Lazar and Blidh as UFA's this summer and Smith and Nosek as UFA's next summer. If the Bs are certain they can sign Kunin at or below his QO on a two-or-three year deal, I like the add.

With that being said, DeBrusk's value is higher than Kunin's right now and I'm not sure the team would be comfortable sliding Kunin in to that top line role either. So this deal has to include something extra from Nashville - either a pick or prospect - to even out the value and allow the B's to balance their trade capital if they have to send assets elsewhere for a RW1. I personally wouldn't mind adding Alexander Campbell or Ryan Ufko, a couple mid-round college prospects having good seasons.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 8, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 22, 2022 at 3:05 p.m.
Thread: Yotes Blockbuster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>If you boil all the BOS side assets into a single value, its probably fine in terms of just overall value. The thing is, I think Arizona will want a consolidation of the assets into a more clear and concise tabulation of the assets. So for example, remove 4 things from this deal, and replace them with 1 different thing. whether that be a player, pick, prospect. doesn't matter.

Any time a trade that involves more than 5 different assets going the other way from one team, the value becomes almost murky and too hard to evaluate properly. That's why they are so rare to make but if you are hell bent on making a big splash, try making 3 separate trades for those 3 players. That way its easier to evaluate what each player is costing. Might help sell or dissuade your proposal. As is, its just too many moving parts for one single trade that making it in real life is almost impossible in my opinion.</div></div>

I agree with this 100% and in most cases I wouldn't send eight pieces in a trade. However, Arizona already has no depth and that is with a team filled with expiring contracts. They could use the influx of players and certainly won't mind three high value picks. As for the breakdown, I see it as this:

BOS receives: Jakob Chychrun
ARI receives: 2022 first-round pick, 2023 conditional first-round pick, Jake DeBrusk, Oskar Steen, Connor Clifton (John Moore)

BOS receives: Phil Kessel (UFA), Johan Larsson (UFA)
ARI receives: 2024 conditional first-round pick, Quinn Olson