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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 28, 2022 at 10:58 a.m.
Thread: Play the Kids Make a Run at Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rednwhite</b></div><div>I am not so sure that they decline immediately. Suter likely matches Cirelli's production on that 3rd line at a fraction of the cost. Suter had 7 less point on a significantly worse team. Suter is only 2 years older then Cirelli as well. Veleno is a former 1st rounder finishing his 1st year in the NHL. Seems like a reasonable deal for both teams to me.

I assumed Ken Holland gives Kane a massive deal and can't afford JP but I agree they will likely match it if they can.</div></div>

There's a difference between offensive production and overally production though...Cirelli has had Selke votes in each of his 3 seasons, including his rookie year. He's one of the top possession players in the league. Suter and Veleno are merely depth players. Veleno has a bit of upside, but he also hasn't been able to steal more minutes on, as you said, a signifcantly worse team. Tampa has shown that they don't give two poops about picks or prospects. Cirelli's value &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; this package.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 3, 2021 at 4:43 p.m.
Thread: Teams I Could See Wanting Kesler LITR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Just curious, what does Keslers LTIR bring to other teams?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntreDiAnaheim</b></div><div>Cap space. When Kesler is put on LITR, he’s contract goes towards cap space. Similar to guys like Seabrook with Tampa</div></div>

🤦‍♂️ This is the most infuriating misinformation in all of hockey. Adding LTIR <strong>does not</strong> give a team cap space. If you have LTIR it means that your team cannot accrue cap space. Which means that operating with extra LTIR is a hindrance as opposed to operating normally. The reason that Tampa Bay added Seabrook, Gaborik, and Nilsson is because they were already operating in LTIR for all of last season anyways, and they were taking them on to pay their salary as incentive to get a trade done. Having Seabrook and operating in LTIR is a bad thing for the Bolts, but it’s better than having Johnson’s cap hit.

The only way LTIR helps anyone is if you were planning for that player to play for you. Since Kesler is retired, all adding him does is make your cap situation harder to deal with (you cannot exceed the cap at <strong>any</strong> point, even for a single day) and guarantees any performance bonuses immediately become overages. (Unless the team is already operating in LTIR, in which case it makes no difference)