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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sep. 12, 2020 at 8:59 a.m.
Thread:
Penguins Now
Pens fan here, I've thought about Detroit as the landing spot for Murray and no matter how I shape I don't think it makes any sense, especially for their 1st Rounder.
If I had to imagine a player moving to Detroit it'd be Hornqvist and that also seems unlikely.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Aug. 30, 2020 at 10:42 a.m.
Thread:
(TOR/PIT) - Kapanen, Åberg, Lindgren for 2020 1st, Rodrigues, Hållander, Warsofsky
The more I think about this trade the more it stands out as a clear Toronto win, but if I look it as a two year plan for Pittsburgh, I can see how JR rationalized it.
To be clear, this is essentially like polishing a turd, but if you look at Pittsburgh's contracts, they have a strong group put together for at least 2 more years. It's not necessarily the best way to build a championship team with a 10 year window, but it feels like ownership is seeing it through with JR. As a Pens fan I hope it works, because if they don't get a deep run out of the next two years they've given up WAY too much. Their revenue will drop and they won't spend to the cap.
If the next two years go sideways I don't expect Malkin to be incentivized to resign and to me, that's the first concrete mark of the end of the era. What's happening now is just the beginning.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 3:41 p.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Well you are just showing that you don't watch much hockey at all, including Penguin hockey. Or are you confusing when he was in IR for being invisable?</div></div>
Lol, chill man, just my opinion. You got a real tude on ya.
Also, if Bjugstad is constantly hurt and you attest that he plays physical.... should he really be playing physical? Dude is frail.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 1:21 p.m.
Thread:
Throwing stuff at the wall see what sticks
Pens still risk losing a goalie in the expansion draft.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 12:56 p.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>The cap relief with pending Svechnikov and Hamilton extensions provides enough motive, so you just need to get the value right. I don't know what that would be because Staal's value is SO difficult to judge</div></div>
I know Murray isn't the absolute best option available but do you think that a package with him and Bjugstad makes sense?
Would give the Canes a capable player to put in the line up, another option in goal and the cap relief for the following to seasons with Staal off the books.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Staal is already probably the best 3C in hockey. He is Carolina's 3C.</div></div>
So what would it take to move him in this trade?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 11:56 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Staal uses his body, and is just better in almost all aspects (they have equally stone chiselled hands) You're paying 2 mil more for a few more years, but it's worth it</div></div>
Agreed, I think he's a massive improvement and would be one of the best 3C's in the league if Pitt got him back.
Lastly, in response to another comment, I know JR has said Pitt is trying to get younger and Staal doesn't fit that idea, but the main goal is to win a cup and it looks like the next two years is the last chances to do that with this core. I think Staal increases their chances to do so.
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Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Bjugstad is not more physical than the best defensive center in the Metro not named Sean Couturier (this is probably an exaggeration, but he's still DAMN good) and although Staal doesn't bring as much production, his game leads to a lot of chances. Someone like Kapanen on his wing would go absolutely nuts.</div></div>
I completely agree, in fact, I don't think Bjugstadt is physical at all. You can't look at his height and weight and assume he plays a physical game. He's almost invisible at times. Granted I've only watch him in Pittsburgh but my main takeaways were, "I wish Bjugstad used his size to his advantage more".
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 11:32 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Staal, Fleury for Murray, Joseph, Bjugstad ($1M ret)
This is near troll level.
A few hours ago someone posted Staal, Reimer, Fleury for Murray, Bjugstad, Simon and it was a no from Pittsburgh. You removed Reimer, replaced Simon with Joseph (making it considerably worse for the Pens), and added $1M retention on Bjugstad. You took a bad trade for the Pens and made it much much worse. Joseph should not be anywhere near this trade. The retention is on the wrong side.
Rutherford wants to get younger.
Staal will be 32 next month. His offense is less than Bjugstad's (especially when considering time on ice). $6M
Fleury is basically Ruhwedel, only left handed.
Using the players that you put in:
Staal ($2M ret), Fleury for Murray, Bjugstad
Joseph is out, fully. This still isn't that great of a trade for Pittsburgh other than it solidifies the 3C.
Maybe even go with Trocheck instead of Staal.</div></div>
This trade isn't that far off and yes, it was in reaction to the previous post about bringing Staal back.
I don't think suggesting it and asking questions for how it could work is trolling, but... ok.
Bringing in Staal at the end of his career isn't that far off base. I think he would shine in a 3rd line roll despite being pretty expensive. The best parts of Staal's game are defensive and he's masterful on the faceoff. Isn't that exactly what Pitt needs? A center who can establish possession, kills penalties and matches up against top lines so Crosby and Malkin can exploit mismatches?
The salary retention is for 1M and it's for one year, pretty straight forward. Pitt will have to move salary to bring him in and I don't think they have long term plans for Bjugstad. I agree that Staal's value is declining but 2M retained on their side is 6M total, so that seems very unrealistic to me.
Also, I'm all for removing the prospect, that'd be great for Pitt, but it seems like Carolina fans are saying Staal is worth more than you're giving him credit for and I agree.
Do you think this is realistic?
Staal for Murray and Bjugstad.
If not, do you think Carolina needs to retain salary? Send a pick back? I'd be interested to hear what Carolina fans think of that too.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 11:24 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claebom</b></div><div>Sens decline. Retained, he brings zero benefit. The best and only thing he offers is that he can bring back a sweetener as a cap dump. If he's no longer a cap dump, he's just a bad player signed for too long. Why would they intentionally want a bad player on their roster? That's for JR to deal with.</div></div>
Fair point.
My perspective is that there are a few options for what can be done with JJ.
1. Nothing - sadly this seems like what will happen
2. Trade - nobody wants him, because he's terrible. If they trade him, they have to give up an asset and most likely retain salary. Of course the team who gets him isn't going to use him, he's terrible, but trades like this happen a lot. The asset that's given has to create the balance. The value of the asset can decrease with the less salary thats transferred (retention). So, the question is, how high does the asset value need to be? Seems like a 2nd or 3rd round pick is the only option Pitt has.
3. Buyout - highly unlikely, Pitt has never done this and it would be elongating the period of cap penalty. This is the main reason for trading him away with retention, you hold a penalty but its tenure is much shorter.
With all these options understood, I think a trade with retention is the best and only plan for how to handle JJ. Of course the team is he's going to isn't gonna value him, he's terrible, but if they have the ability to do it and gain an asset it's not completely pointless.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 8:52 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Carolina have enough prospect D men to successfully ice a better AHL defence than the Maple Leafs can ice in the NHL. Bjugstad is very meh, Murray isn't exactly a great improvement on what Carolina have (Reimer was a wall this year)</div></div>
Also, what's the climate like on Carolina's attachment to Staal? Do you guys see him as an integral piece? I know he's the captain, but I'm curious to know the fans feelings on him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 8:35 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gordon_Bombay</b></div><div>Not saying Murray has a lower upside, but based on last season, I have more confidence in both Peter Mrazek and James Reimer than I have in Murray.
Trading with Carolina is difficult right now. They have one of the deepest teams in the league and a lot of average players would just struggle to actually make the lineup</div></div>
I agree on their depth. They also have great chemistry, would seem dumb to break it up. I just want Staal back...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 8:33 a.m.
Thread:
Return of the Staal
What if the prospect was Poulin? He's the top player in Pitts pool.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 8:00 a.m.
Thread:
rehires
I think Jordan Staal is the answer for Pittsburgh. He's personally my favorite Penguin from the early cup years and slotting him back in at 3C would be unreal.
That return isn't enough to get it done. Poulin would most likely have to be in the deal. I like the return of Hayden Fleury, he seems like a solid top 6 option. He's a lefty though and Pitt has POJ coming up through their system. I wonder if Carolina would consider it with him instead of Poulin.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 28, 2020 at 7:54 a.m.
Thread:
Pittsburgh offseason
Well stated.
Those trades seem realistic to me.
My concerns as always is the bottom pair. It needs to be addressed.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 6:00 p.m.
Thread:
Classic Rutherford Nostalgia
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>Just pulled it out of what I thought made sense for the wings</div></div>
Makes me feel like Murray's value is lower than I've been thinking, though Griess is older and doesn't have the playoff success.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 5:39 p.m.
Thread:
Johnson Sucks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Johnson's contract is not good, but it is not actually an issue. It is a mosquito bite. Nothing more. Giving up McCann just to move him is not necessary in any way.</div></div>
I can see the logic there. My biggest issue isn't necessarily about the money and term, which in itself is obviously bad, it's how bad his performance is. Makes it feel like twice the burden. It's like we'd be gaining two players to simply have him removed from the roster.
It seems like a totally preventable error. A player with a completely illogical contract has been an absolute liability in the last 2 post seasons.
Using your analogy, if I have a misquito bite thats gonna kill me if it's not addressed I treat it differently than a normal one.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.
Thread:
Classic Rutherford Nostalgia
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>Yeah real easy. Until Washington calls. Hey Thomas Greiss, wanna stay in the nhl for a year and compete for a stanley cup? Oh you do? Really? Cool thanks for being apart of a cup run and helping out Ilya Samsonov. But yeah, im sure DET is going to be a hot spot for free agents</div></div>
I feel like this level of consideration in evaluating how player movement will unfold is frequently dismissed. I know everyone has their preferences but I have to feel like Buffalo and Detroit are low on players, "places I'd love to play" list.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 5:01 p.m.
Thread:
Classic Rutherford Nostalgia
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>Uh yeah super easy, hey Thomas greiss wanna stay in the nhl for 2 more years at 3M a year? Oh you do? Really? Cool thanks for being apart of our last few years of the rebuild until we are ready to compete</div></div>
I don't know if you just pulled that out of the sky but that's actually a really good comparison.
<a href="https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_comparegoalie.php?players%5B%5D=1307&players%5B%5D=4731&period=2019-2020%3AR%3A99" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_comparegoalie.php?players%5B%5D=1307&players%5B%5D=4731&period=2019-2020%3AR%3A99</a>
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:56 p.m.
Thread:
What would it take to get laine
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jetman</b></div><div>Suzuki and a 2nd</div></div>
Small sample size for Suzuki. Laine was having a really good year at the stoppage. I'd say Suzuki and a 2nd is the lower end of his value.
His contract is pretty fair given the entire scope of things.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:51 p.m.
Thread:
Johnson Sucks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yojimbo</b></div><div>Like I said, most people don't understand $.</div></div>
Yea, I don't understand what you mean here. Are you saying that he gets it, but others don't?
I think his point is pretty well said. Multiple poor contracts create a larger issue and Johnson's is one of the most glaring.
What part of that has him not understanding the money side?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:36 p.m.
Thread:
Boom Prepped for Stanley come at me
Would you rather have Jonathan Quick or Matt Murray?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
Thread:
Classic Rutherford Nostalgia
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>Agreed, Murray needs to go to an Edmonton or Calgary type of team, not Detroit</div></div>
Yea, and trading him to the West is always a plus.
Calgary seems like the best fit to me and they have the pieces to return based on the his value. I've seen a few posts returning Sam Bennet + a draft pick, a 2nd + a 2nd and a 2nd and a 3rd.
All of those seem appropriate given the situation, though others seem to think they're way off base.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.
Thread:
Classic Rutherford Nostalgia
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>Great we'll sign a free agent and keep our pick and you can keep that human rebound machine. Wings want no part of this, you can keep him</div></div>
I think this is fair value for Murray but agree Detroit may not be the fit. They clearly don't need a goalie to improve their chances at winning, they have a ton of other problems to fix before goaltending.
I would point out that Murray is a younger guy who brings experience to a very young team. I think there's value there but I think Detroit can get that elsewhere.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 27, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.
Thread:
Tanevs
This seems like realistic value for Murray.
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