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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.
Thread: If Montreal wants Mantha
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It's not about the value, it's about the role he as in Detroit. HE IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.

People arguing Detroit is in reconstruction dont grasp the concept that you need to put a team on the freakin ice. It's hard enough to sell tickets with that poor team, they cant just trade away their young power foward for draft picks or AHL prospects without alienating their fans.

Even if it is less true now, it was the same reason Montreal wouldn't even consider trading Gallagher. They might be less valuable than Ovi objectively, but since they are playing for team that lack offense, their scoring skills are even more valuable for their respective GMs.</div></div>

I agree with you. Once again, I was approaching this conversation from the point of we are assuming that Mantha is being traded to Montreal. What is his value? If we start from whether or not it should even be considered, I wouldn't have gotten this far.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.
Thread: If Montreal wants Mantha
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redwingsfan04</b></div><div>I 100% agree. That being said, we have no reason to trade him now because of that, since we could wait a season and he could turn into that elite winger. That’s why I personally am so against trading Mantha.</div></div>

Totally agree. My assumption is that this published team is saying, "If that road is to actually be taken, then..." So, I didn't argue whether or not Mantha should or shouldn't be traded. I see no reason to get rid of him. Someone would have to overpay drastically or Detroit would have to pick up an exceptional player in the draft before I would trade any of the MLB line, Fabbri, or Zadina. You would have to make whichever one it was a duplicate to a new asset at least before I'd consider it.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 27, 2020 at 10:30 a.m.
Thread: making them good right now
I'm not saying no outright. There's good ideas here. I do believe Mantha and Bertuzzi will take less. I think it would be a hard sell to the UFAs. If Lehner had stayed in Chicago through a regular season, he probably would have been good for $30M over 5 with Detroit. Now, I think he can get a comparable contract on a better team. I think Krug will get more - another year and another $700K. The only signing I really question wanting to do though is Bowey. It's a good contract that you propose, but I just don't want him back. And I certainly wouldn't play him over Nemeth. That leads me into lineup management. Seider going directly to first pair? Trial by fire I guess. Abandoning Ras's current development plans. Fabbri as a 2C over Haula. Svech on the fourth line. Hirose up before he's proven that he has bulked up and plays with more confidence. This is a bit of a cluster. Maybe after a season or two of not knowing what to do it would correct itself, but this would be quite the shock to the players and their performance.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
Thread: Not likely but
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drw4209</b></div><div>Well the established market rate for taking on high salary/multi year term cap dumps disagrees. It's delusional really, Demko wouldn't even be the main piece in a deal to take on Eriksson's contract.</div></div>

Marleau was $6.25M for one year. They paid an additional 1st and 7th for a 6th. So, should Detroit get more? Sure. I explained in other comments that I was trying to make sure I didn't go too far in Detroit's direction. It looks like I have gone overboard with that. But your suggestion was that somehow taking on Eriksson's contract was a big deal for Detroit and that Demko was junk. That's what set the reply apart from the others. First, Demko is seen as a goalie of the future and close to starter material. Second, Detroit is one of very few teams that could eat Eriksson's contract for two seasons without batting an eye. They could literally go wild and spend to the cap for the next two seasons (they won't). Due to Zetterberg's LTIR savings, savings from waiving Abdelkader (which rumor has it is a real possibility), and both Filppula and Nemeth coming off the books in the second season (which if you spent to the cap it better have made those two expendable), it still wouldn't hurt them on the flat cap. In reality, they won't spend to the cap, and I've shown above that they could spend big on a contract and still have almost $10M left in cap space. So, if you're saying that the deal is lopsided and needs adjustment, I accept that. But your extra window dressings in the comment are way off.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 10:44 a.m.
Thread: Not likely but
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyNut82</b></div><div>I like the idea of taking on Loui to get Demko, a possible starter going forward. However I don't see sending back a top-ish prospect back to VAN.

If it is Evgeni for Demko - Sure, maybe there is something there. Prospect for prospect.

Once Loui and his 2yrs at 6M is coming our way, I feel like Demko would be enough of compensation to make that happen. It's essentially be Demko traded to DET for 6M of cap space for 2 years.

So I would tweak this to be Loui/Demko to DET for the 5th you have listed.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SweetRevenge19</b></div><div>A lot of Wings fans would argue that’s not enough to take on Loui’s contract based on past cap dump deals and the current flat cap/economic climate with hurt revenues. It would take Demko + a sweetener draft pick</div></div>

Yeah, I'm not good at massaging trades after the base deal, so do with the picks what you will. I did publish with the feeling that I was shorting Detroit, but I didn't want to go all homer and get Demko for a bag of pucks. I will say that Detroit fans seem to value Svech a bit more than the writers and organization. He still has potential, but he is currently being looked at as a third line winger. If he finds his scoring touch again, he will obviously be a much more coveted prospect. But would Cholowski be a better prospect to send? I like Cholowski and get so frustrated that he can't quite put it all together. His stock drops with each passing season of not taking that next step. Maybe Hirose. I would hate giving him away as I think some bulk and confidence is all he needs to be a great play making middle six winger. But you have to give something to get something.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
Thread: Not likely but
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>I think we all like demko with Ericsson but who knows. I really dont wanna pay krug that much. I mean hes great on the pp but hed be -22 on this team by january. Id rather get a guy we can stick next to seider that can help the kid out for his first season.</div></div>

Yeah, I'm not sold that Krug is the answer, but I know a lot of people are pulling for it. As far as his contract goes, someone is going to give him that most likely. Maybe the flat cap changes how GMs pay, but he would easily get it before that came into play. Not a lot of LD available this go around though. I didn't realize that earlier in the season. About mid season I was pushing for an Edmunson, Gudas, etc solid second pair guy. Still may be the way to go if you can get people to play on sides that work.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMar. 6, 2020 at 10:27 a.m.
Thread: Trying to Get Better at Valuing Picks Prospects and Bad Contracts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mikearky</b></div><div>That Eriksson contract is just so toxic. Can not see Wings making that deal. Woo is a nice addition but doubt they give up any picks in the 1st or 2nd round, even with the prospect.</div></div>

Thanks for the input. I feel like it is short lived enough that trying to basically purchase a pick or a prospect is worth it, but to each their own.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SDR</b></div><div>Eriksson's contract won't be bad next year for a cap floor team. Sure it's a 6mil cap hit, but it is only 3 and 2 mil of real money paid, after his bonus is due in july.

That said, I think the canucks would make this trade or one with Juolevi in place of Woo and without the 4th.</div></div>

Thanks for the input. I would say that Vancouver is up against cap pretty hard, so it isn't so much as real dollars and cents as it is the AAV. If the cap raises to $88M next season, this becomes far less an issue for them.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AnyoneButTheBruins</b></div><div>The 2nd and Woo are pretty close to being a wash so we are basically taking on a bad contract for a 4th. VAN has to give more or take away the WSH 2nd.</div></div>

Thanks for the input. Yeah, I was wondering myself if Woo is worth a 2nd rounder by himself. He's done well for a few seasons in the juniors now whereas a 2nd rounder this season may only have one season of good success. I didn't know if that made him a little more valuable. Like I said, I'm not good at making these kinds of valuations yet. I'm trying to improve, so thanks for the constructive critique. I still think something can be done here as Vancouver is about to have to make hard decisions with relation to the cap and doesn't have a 1st or 2nd in the draft this year. The Red Wings have empty cap space and three 2nds. I'd be on the phone with them is what I'm saying.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 29, 2020 at 8:35 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 8, 2018 at 10:22 a.m.
Thread: With Hank Leaving
While I mostly agree, I do see the defense as slightly better. Green, Daley, and DeKeyser are second-line defensemen. I'd have a harder time arguing if any of them are a third defenseman over fourth though.

The biggest problem with both the offense and defense is the lack of a single star. They have plenty of primary to secondary scorers in offense but not the one or two that are putting up the big numbers - the elite of the team so to say. They have defensemen that can put in a solid supporting role or good defensive games here or there, but they don't have an offensive specialist or great shutdown defender. It's a team of good-ok-subpar and lacking that elite-good-ok-couple of fringe makeup that's needed to be successful. Last description: great depth but no standouts.