I think you are really overpaying. You take out that Ottawa 1st and make it a 3rd round pick

So you're a Habs fan, huh? Huge overpayment. Go look at the Skinner trade

Montreal gladly accepts trapeing Burnaby Joe and the Avs.

You realize that Pacioretty is worth more in a trade then Skinner right? I’m not going to say it’s not an overpayment, but not a huge one.

This might be one of the worst Avs trading for Pacioretty trades that this site has ever yielded

and your rationale about Avs players...Yikes talk about being well uniformed

NO he isnt, Skinner out performed him last season and he is 4 years younger. Pacioretty isnt going to snag some giant haul when E Kane, Hoffman (for other reasons) and Skinner didnt bring anywhere near what Habs fans are going to assume Pacioretty will bring back. The market for wingers is pretty set and Pacioretty as the oldest, lowest offense production last season of the bunch isnt goign to be magically more costly

Classic Habs fan hiding a terrible trade behind another team's acgm. Just awful for the Avalanche.

Honesty its so bad, 2 1st....one having the potential to be a Top 5, one of the Avs top D prospects, and arguably their most important all around Dman who is the locker room leader of that D Core for 2 pending 30 year old UFAs and a 2nd pairing Dman

Then claiming EJ isnt worth his contract bc he doesnt score enough points...guess he didnt realize that Johnson doesnt play the PP now bc of Barrie who is elite on the 1PP and they have Girard on the 2nd unit. SO misinformed on the Avs, their players, and their prospects.

Im shocked they didnt add Girard into this deal with how Habs fans like to pretend that they would have drafted him if they didnt trade that 2nd round pick for Shaw

Why only use last year's stats to determine Pacioretty's value? Over the last 5 years, the has a P/GP of 0.78, compared to 0.63 for Skinner and 0.62 for Kane, that's including last season which was his worst season of his career. To put his value lower than Skinner and Kane is not logic at all. Do you really think Pacioretty is not worth a 1st and A prospect while Nash got 1st, prospect and Ryan Spooner (40 pts player)? Pacio is way better than Nash right now.

I know it's a steep price, but look at the pieces you're receiving. I doubt that would ever happen though. I have to admit that I didn't think Johnson would have that much value for the Avs considering the age, the production and the cap salary, maybe not the best piece to shed some cap space.

Hiding? Not really. Just trying to see from the other team's perspective with the lines comp.

bc this is what have you done for me lately league. Teams arent going to pay for a players previous stats and ignore what they did lately. They will hold it against Montreal thats what he did as a 30 year old, the guy is entering the back half of his career so its safe to assume he will have more bad years vs good years left.

Thats just the reality of how GMs negotiate. Patches values is as low as it can be so teams over pay on top of over pay for him. He had 37 points with 1 year left on his contract. Thats what you are trading on paper right now. SO yes I do think that he isnt worth a 1st and a top prospect. Nash had more points than Patches last year and was an over priced Trade Rental, . Thats a different trade and value than a trade before the season starts.

I don't agree, because wirh this logic, Giroux is worth more than Crosby right now because he outproduced him by 12 points? That would never happened.

I understand the concerned with Pac, but he is still a 30-35 goal scorer for the next few years in my opinion.

If by trade deadline next year, he already has 20-25 goals, does his value go up? Do you do the trade this time?

Ok so welcome to the NHL, you must be a new fan who only started watching last season. Evander Kane could have a career year and it would only match Paciorettys average season, Kane also had locker room issues and he can’t play defence (defence is that other 50% of the game that NHL coaches and GMs actually care about).

Skinner is the closest to Pacioretty offensively and yes is four years younger. He also had a limited no movement clause and said no to multiple offers Carolina came to him with until he got the team he wanted play for, basically handcuffed Carolina. And once again, he can’t play defence, Skinner can’t play the PK unit, doesn’t get ice time when protecting a lead and has been given more offensive duties throughout his career because of it.

Pacioretty literally is better in every area. He is well liked by everyone in the room and is respected throughout the league, he averages 29 goals a season while never actually playing with a number 1 center in his entire career and he is one of the best defensive left wingers in the league, able to play the top PK, gets put on the ice in every situation. If your going to question his defensive prowess consider that he has gotten Selke votes in 2014-2015 and 2016-2017.

So maybe look at the situation as a whole and not just from The 2017-2018 NHL stat page.

Its the same with Duchene when he was traded. He put up a 40 point season and Sakic was getting low ball offers even though the quality of player is still there. So they held onto him to start the season. Once he put up 10 points in 14 games, the concern over his "decline" was gone and they were able to get the price they think he is worth from the Sens

The same will happen with Patches. You wont get what he is worth now, the best thing for Montreal is to keep him and watch him tear it up for the first few weeks to bring up his value to what he is worth.
Trading good players after career worst seasons, its never a good idea

I want to give it 5 stars because i like but

this is real life

This is hilarious in how passive aggressive you are, then on top of that you are trying to claim he has extra worth bc "hes a nice guy" trust me I heard all his teammates love him and there is no way to actually prove that.

This is a what have you done lately for me league, and thats the reality of what makes up the vast majority of trade talks and contract negotiations.

This is the worst trade I've ever seen. 0 stars.

DON'T BE BAD

Habs fan trying to be funny? I haven't looked at the other comments, but if this was meant to be serious I'm not sure if you are familiar with either team, the players involved, or hockey in general. Sorry.

Terrible trade for the Avs as has been already said by others.

Tried to be passive aggressive because calling you an out right idiot is rude. But once again an arguring with an idiot brought me down to your level. Just look at the facts, the only one telling you Skinner is better is his age. If you were a sensible person or a knowledgeable hockey person you would have realized that already.

And if you were capable of being unbiased, you'd realize this is incredibly one-sided and a terrible trade for the Avs. Three players who will be on the wrong side of 30 at the end of the season for two firsts (one potentially in the top-5), a former #1 overall and the anchor of our defense, and a blue-chip defensive prospect? Not to mention from a team that's still rebuilding? How is that at all sensible?

I actually agreed with the over payment part of the trade value. The arguement above is the person argueing Skinner vs Pacioretty trade value.