No one is interested in Weber's contract. If you manage to move it, it'll cost Montreal assets to move him and likely will have to take back a bad contract in return.

I think Weber is negative value because of his contact and no team Will show interest

Philly says no thank you.... That mega offer sheet was a vast over payment to get the prime years of Weber, not the back end when his body has been beat up.

Chicago moving on from Anisimov and Seabrook could do it. Like he said in the description.

You can be surprise. You're thinking like that just because of his injury this season. He's not the weber at the Olympics in 2014, but he's a veteran that can have an impact on the game. With a good team, he have couple of good year in front of him.

And another 5 years of term. I would never have traded Subban for Weber nor would I have traded just about anyone for Weber, his contract makes him a terrible addition. He's worth about 3-4 million currently and his value drops each year. He's already lost more than 1 step (He never had many to begin with) and now will be coming off a rather serious knee injury as he's moving into his mid 30's and signed through his 40th birthday. This contract is terrible and it'll be an anchor to any team who holds it.

Nobody is going to take a chance on an aging player coming off a huge leg injury. Especially not when footspeed was already an issue with Weber.

The term on Weber's deal makes it much worse than even Seabrook who has a really bad contract too. Montreal trading Weber for Seabrook would have to have some sort of Salary retention for Chicago to make the move since they will be adding a tonne of term onto their payroll and then Montreal will be paying that for years as well as paying a massively declining Seabrook his salary until he retires.

The only way a Weber trade happens is if an idiot GM picks him up at the deadline thinking it'll be the last move to win him a cup. When it fails he'll be the owner of the worst trade of this era. So maybe Chairelli pulls the trigger since he's the worst GM in the game.

that's a bit overdramatic... do you really think if he was a FA he'd be worth less than Ceci... He still has a lot of value as a player but his trade value is destroyed by having so much term.

Maybe Weber should be traded to Minni. Hard to believe his won't be the worse contract....it's Parise. And it's close to Suter's

I don't think Ceci is worth what he got paid, salaries are out of whack for depth players right now and it's going to hurt a lot of teams but that's a different rant entirely.

I think a good value for Weber is about 3.5 to 4 million for the next 2-4 years and then lower after that. Yes he still has value, he's not a terrible player, his contract is just the worst.

when i see this many moving pieces, I usually realize that non of the trades will be realistic

that's what i mean. His value in a trade is significantly lower than his on ice value. Realistically I'd argue you could pay Weber $6M ish for another 3-4 years. If MTL retained like TOR did on Kessel even I could see him getting a similar return due to his reputation and more reasonable cap hit. But it doesn't make sense for many teams around the league honestly. To your first point, the reason why the salary/cap hits for depth players is in so much flux is that the superstars in the league all signed their deals 4-6 years ago and cap increases are finally catching up to the point where a guy is getting paid the same as a first liner but making less % of the total cap at time of signing.

You could be on to something about the star deals happening 4-6 years ago, but I think GM's are still not sure how to pay people properly in depth roles and are also loyal to good soldiers. The smartest way to manage a cap in my opinion is to pay star, star money and pay depth guys depth guy money. There should be a big gulf between star money and depth money but unfortunately you have a lot of mid level guys making slightly less than the big guys because GM's have to make fans happy and keep the owners happy or they lose their jobs.

If Nylander get's 7 million this year is he only 2 million dollars better than Wilson? Not a chance, he's worth 3 Tom Wilson's but teams pay guys like him way too much all the time. Eventually a team will break the mold and start letting depth guys who want to much money to just walk and they'll replace them with cheaper younger assets and not miss a beat. TO has the opportunity to do that because they don't have any really bad contracts. They can keep getting guys like Ennis each year, older guys needing to increase their stock and will leave money on the table to play with stars in the hope of getting bigger money and term somewhere next summer.

I agree with that too. It's more of a mixture of both. This all goes back to when people freak out about giving guys as RFAs "big $" saying they should be cheaper but then try to justify a Beagle or Gudbranson contract by saying "it's what you pay UFAs" ... Depth pieces are overrated though I agree and stars are still criminally underrated. You can pluck a Smith-Pelly off of waivers for nothing if you still have that spot to fill in camp. You aren't getting a true impact player that way lol.

Ok people on here really need to look at Weber’s contract. It’s lengthy and has a high cap hit but his actual salary is only $3 million. It’s designed to be moved to a rebuilder looking to hit the cap floor without actually paying that much money to the player. Poile knew back then what Weber was going to be in those years, a solid veteran for a rebuilder.

And then when he retires early Nashville pays him. It’s designed to have value even when he isn’t as valuable as the cap hit, just find the right team.

Exactly, and as a Leafs fan its an ideal I hope our GM has. Because they are in a position where they basically have zero bad contracts and a group of young starts that will be the heart of the offense for the next decade. You can either

A) bridge them and pay them way under market value and use the extra space on high priced depth like many teams have done (Tampa is the poster child of that)
B) get the young core locked up for 8 years each and have long term cost certainty for their entire primes and then fit depth in at reasonable rates.

4th liners shouldn't make more than 1.5 million, unless you're also an elite centre PK specialist.

He has a full no movement clause and the contract runs into his 40's, the actual dollar amount is irrelevant when you are in a cap era. His contract is 8 million dollars of wasted money and will run until he retires, why would he retire if he is still making millions of dollars?

you're right but looking at it from the wrong point of view, imo. Teams trying to win that don't operate on a budget care more about cap hit than actual dollars being paid. Just because his salary is $3M doesn't mean that's what teams trading for him value his contract at. Also, like you said they formed his contract that way so he would be easier to dump, not gain "value" out of. Players with contracts like that who get moved later in their careers never return value - your team is usually stuck still paying for someone to take him off your hands just at a reduced cost.

You have a point except there always seems to be 1 or 2 teams that actually would take on a huge cap hit with a lower real salary - right now that would be Ottawa since they have a spending-averse owner. Arizona maybe. But it is a pretty limited set of teams and as you say he has an NTC so not holding my breath.

I do want to be clear, that my opinion isn't an indictment on the player, I do like Weber. I just see the business side of hockey making him untradeable.

He doesn’t have a no movement clause, he doesn’t make $8 million dollars and you act like he will never play another minute of NHL hockey. Even then, all they do is throw them on LTIR when they cant play anymore. I’m not saying it’s a great contract but it’s not the worst I’m the league, it’s fairly inexpensive in real dollars, any team that’s left with it can easily bury it and if he does walk away early Nashville pays.

Then there’s the other option, he comes back healthy and plays for as long as Andre Markov and Chara.

There are several things wrong with your statement,

1) Please read my last comment about Weber, I like him as a player and think he still holds value, I just think his contract is terrible and it is too much of an anchor to have tied around your neck.
2) Weber's Cap hit is just under 8 million I rounded up by just over 100K
3) You can't just put people on LTIR because you don't like their contract, there are club mandated physicals players have to go through at the start of every season
4) He very well could play as long as Chara but I don't see him being nearly as good as Chara is at 41, Chara's reach and strength still make him effective.
5) The whole real dollar situation only makes sense if there are a couple years of term left, not 8 more years of term.

So I stand by my statements, its a contract that no one should ever take on.