holy crap thats a bad trade, massive rip off of the leafs... hall for larsson 2.0...

You have no idea how good Pesce is, take your blinders off.

not even top 50 best Dman in the league. rip off or TOR.

Yeah you have no idea.

Pesce is a better version of Niklas Hjalmarsson. Look at how bad the hawks were this season after trading Hammer. Atrocious. The hawks don't win 3 cups without Hammer. You can get that type of player in Pesce, except much more. He is a 200 foot D man that is so good with the puck and in his own end. Hjalmarsson was never considered a top 50 D man either. You want Pesce.

I think this favours Carolina, they would have to add a 1st for it to be ballpark area. TOR wouldn't do 1 for 1. And I have an idea about the Fish

Nylander quietly puts up 60+ point seasons consistently on a stacked offensive team, everyone calls him on having an off season, yet no one talks about him when he is succeeding. If Nylander is placed in a spotlight you'll see how good of a player he truly is. He is almost as good of a player Kucherov is for Tampa. Pesce is just on a good contract and will eat minutes. Unless we're getting a Parayko or Dumba or any other #1/2 D, Nylander isn't getting traded

I don't think Carolina has to add much, the only reason they do is because TOR knows they're trying to unload a RD.

Then the leafs will be stuck being all offense, no defense. Nylander put up points because of a stacked offense. He's a top 6 forward for sure, but don't act like he can score 100 points in the spotlight. That's lofty.

This is a dangerously appealing trade. It addresses Toronto's overwhelmingly obvious need and probably saves Toronto $2.5M per year for the next SIX years. The biggest argument against it is the threat of hearing "Hall-for-Larsson-2.0" for the rest of your life. GM isn't for the faint of heart.

Am I the only one thinking here that maybe CAR would say no? I always thought Pesce was very similar in play style to Ekholm. add that he's only 23 and on a solid deal (unlike what Nylander is going to get).... I wouldn't move him. Pretty sure if CAR are going to move another Dman, it's going to be Faulk.

This looks great. I see this as an altered version of that Johansen - Jones trade, where both of the teams get exactly what they need. CAR gets their young star forward they seek, and TOR gets a cost-controlled d-prospect with huge potential.

Toronto can sign all the KHL D men they want, Zaitsev was a good add, Ozhiganov is a question mark, sure it's low risk, but are they going to sign an elite D man out of the KHL? I doubt it. The hawks signing Panarin was ridiculously fortunate. Toronto can keep drafting D men as well, but again, question marks. Pesce is known. Tavares signed cause he thinks they can compete. As did Marleau. but they need to address the D instead of waiting 2-3 years for Sandin, Liljegrin, Rosen to develop.

Agreed, but maybe they realize Pesce gets them a better return?

This is the importance of signing John Tavares, who makes everyone he plays with better. I don't agree with Nick -- I think Kapanen should be given the first shot at RW with JT and if HE puts up 60 or more points (eminently possible), no one's going to be worried about Nylander's missing 60.

Also, saying Nylander is close to Kucherov is a ridiculous stretch. Kucherov is the best winger in the game. Nylander is nowhere close to the dominant style of Kuch.

The lines were a shot in the dark honestly, I'm not worried about them per-say, we know Babcock blends them somewhat often.

You aren’t even arguing with a leafs fan.... so all of your arguments are invalid. If a 3rd party comes to chime in and call foul maybe you go back to the drawing board.

I am a leafs fan. So Dubas Hangs up the phone blocks your number calls your mother to let her know about the nasty things her little boy is doing.

He doesn't have to be a Leafs fan, Dubas would be stupid not to entertain this. TOR needs a RD, being a shut down and on a very affordable contract is a huge bonus. Same age? Bigger bonus. If you don't want to make the move thats fine, but don't expect to get past the 1st round of the playoffs going up against Boston again.

Past the first round???? We can and will. I’ll be honest with you, your words are falling on deaf ears. I’m good with our defence. They were good last year and will be better this year and the years after. I like pesce and I know exactly what he brings. On a different deal it could be a good move but not for nylander not straight up. We will not be giving up roster players that you can’t replace. 13th in the nhl for goals against probably going to break into the top 10 this year. I could be wrong but if there is a need to be addressed it will be after we see what we have. I still think a player on a shorter term fits our needs better.

I would go with Kadri and 2nd 2020 cause i agree with the statement below



and Kadri was just recentlly "compensated" with Tavares ( same generation just 30 points better)

but on the same page i think CAR signed guy for long-term with a reason tho....

1st round and out the past 2 seasons with an identical D core, do you see a trend?

Carolina has Hamilton, Faulk, and Pesce. They'll be unloading one RHD man and also Pesce or Faulk is about to go on the third pairing. If I'm trading Nylander, I'll need a winger back to fill in a hole we opened while trying to fill in another. What if we can sign a RHD man one year from now that can fit our top 4 without having to give up one of our building blocks. Liljegren was about to go 3rd overall in 2017 but mono took his draft rankings down. Once he is healthy again I don't mind seeing a Rielly-Liljegren first defence pairing. What if Nylander puts up a 80+ point season and Pesce is just another Larsson. There's to much to lose for us Leafs fan than there is to gain,

Leafs want him but Carolina isn’t let’s him go. He’s worth a bunch but his value is limited due to his low offense. He’s exactly what the leafs need. But Nylander isn’t going anywhere. I’d rather fill our D internally or use other non core assets to attain a steady D.

Fill out the D internally and you’ll be in cap hell before you win a cup but okay. Good luck.