I’ll tell you what he’s not doing

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I think that is the max I would want to pay nylander, and it would have to be at least 7 years I think 8 would be better of course. If Carolina were to offer foegele pesce and a 2019 first and nylander was still asking for more than what you have offered, would you take that trade?

What is “that”? 7x7 ? Because I think he may take “that”

And i think “that” would be best for Leafs too. Rather than trade him.

Honestly no, I don't understand the fascination with Pesce. He's not an elite defenceman. He's a defensively sound guy with almost no offensive abilities. Pesce would be the best right handed defenceman in TO but only until Liljegren is ready, he is a player with way more upside than Pesce. Also is Pesce good because he's a driver of play? Or did Slavin elevate him? What we know about Nylander is he is elite. He is one of the best players in the game at taking the puck away in the offensive and neutral zones but does get a little lax in his own zone. That can be corrected and I think his offensive ceiling is as high as Marner's. Would you trade Marner for that package?

I am also confused as to what you mean there?

why not 8 years? If you are gonna pay long term money get your full benefit.

I value marner more, not for skill I think they are slightly different players at the same skill level. But when it comes to heart and determination I think marner wins in that area. I also think marner wants to be here more than Willy. I think you also ignored foegele and the pick involved. This would be an overpay for nylander in my opinion. That first could be in the top 15 and foegele is a decent young player on elc for this year and next. I think if you can sign Willy great, clearly that is the best option. But that trade I proposed compared to letting him sit in the khl with no promise of being resolved next season is the ehat if i’m Pondering.

Doesn’T necessarily have to be this trade either or even for a Dman. If Willy were to be moved I would want the best package back. Regardless of position.

So, if Nylander is so good, why don't give him 8M?? It's ridiculous that the TML fans say Nylander is an elite player, a top 1 on many team, but we want pay him under his performance...

Every day we get closer to Dec 1, the more Nylander will get in a contract offer. I have a theory, and you can hear myself and the host of a hockey podcast we do discuss this in depth, that Dubas and Pridham have provided Nylander's camp with a book of contract offers that will give different cap hits and terms based on the day they are signed. Each day we get closer to Dec 1, the higher the 1st year cap hit is and each year after will be lower than the average of the entire contract. So the 7x7 would look something like 10 mill this season and 6.75 or so each year after. If the plan is to get Nylander signed under 7 million, that's how it can be done. So why hasn't Nylander signed yet? I wouldn't be surprised if he has already agreed in principal to a deal for Dec 1 but they continue to negotiate in the meantime. Something like Nylander asks for less cap hit but wants it all in bonuses to protect against a lockout situation. Or TO keeps giving different options to entice him to take a deal now. But both sides are comfortable with numbers available later in the month so not much movement has been made. Remember Pridham helped write the CBA, if anyone knows how to work within the Cap its him.

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I agree with some of your sentiment. As a Leafs fan I wouldn't be upset if Nylander signed for 8 million, I think as soon as this season, people would come around to this being a good deal. I think he'll outscore Draisaitl over the course of his contract so 8 mill is likely fair. However, the Leafs also need to sign Marner and Matthews. What I can't understand is how fans will say Nylander is only worth 6 million and then say, Marner is worth 10. That is insane. They are almost the same player.

Marner is being way overpaid on this site is why. Nylander is fair at 6@6.5, marner is max 1.5 mil above, with the JT inflater and cap inflation. (if Nylander = 6.5, Marner probs = 7.5max). If they were both up they would probs get matching contracts.

Marner drives his line. 8.5 is fair but 9.5 is more realistic

Lol 8.5 is a huge overpayment. He needs JT to really inflate his numbers to get that (let alone 9.5). Take whatever Nylander gets and add 1 million to get Marners number.

Remember, Marner is not that much better than Nylander, he is much flashier however, and has a different role making him more valuable.

Why are you even trying to make sense with those "gloating ones".....they are just afraid what TML are building.....they would overpay anyone just to create phoney "Cap Hell".....

Just my personality. "SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET, I MUST ENLIGHTEN THEM!"

In my dream world, Nylander and Marner both sign matching 7.5 million dollar 8 year deals and just end this nightmare.

He's a winger who plays almost all of his minutes with one of or both or all of Kadri, Tavares, and Matthews (when healthy) he does drive some play but when you have that much firepower you can't key in on Marner, you'd be giving too many extremely skilled guys too much room. Don't get me wrong, Marner is awesome and I think he's star, but lets settle down the whole, he's worth almost 10 a season. He's never scored a point a game over a season yet. I think he'll sign for around 8 million on an 8 year deal almost as soon as Nylander signs.

He's a jilted Islanders fan, I saw him chirp Dubas in a different post saying he isn't a good GM. So far Dubas can say, "I inherited the top job in an organization I helped get to where it was when I took over and then immediately added John Tavares." I'd say he's off to a pretty solid start.

Maybe Marner will, being a hometown boi, Nylander is influenced by "greedy" mother-little-helpers, so he will try to hit UFA as soon as possible....so 5 x 7M for Nylander and 7 x 7,5M for Marner is my guess ( i hoped for 6 x 6,8M Nylander )

Tone down the Nylander hate, he just wants to be treated fairly. You look at his stats and compare them to Marner and they are extremely close and comparable. You ask your boss for 8 mill a year over 8 years and everyone calls you greedy, at the same time you are watching people talk about Marner deserving 10 million and you know you are pretty well as good as he is. I'd be firm too.

How about we just take a deep breath and let Nylander and Dubas get this done when it makes sense. The closer we get to Dec 1, the more the Leafs can offer and I think Nylander knows this so he's being patient the same as Dubas is.

No hate here, i bought your conspiracy theory on first sight, even backed it up by finding the following : https://jsfiddle.net/amos47/b5wkhLge/embedded/result

but still....we are talking 22y old kid here and rumours are his dada was kind a greedy b back in his times.....

I also think that Michael is a problem here but I don't think it'll end badly, I think Dubas and Pridham are way ahead of the game and I think its just a waiting game now. Perhaps TO at some point will hit a magic number of bonus money to get him signed earlier but it'll all depend on how Nylander looks at things. For example, if he gets 6.5 over 8 years but gets a deal similar to Tavares where almost all the contract is paid out in bonuses, then Nylander can get his money up front and invest it smartly and could see his porfolio increase to levels that would exceed what he could have if he signed for a higher cap hit but got the money paid out over the full term instead of up front.

I guess the point I am making is this.

The Fans and the media look at 2 things, term and cap hit and then decide what's what. In reality, there are a thousand other pieces to this puzzle and rest assured Dubas and Pridham are all over it.

doesn’t take a genius to realize that Marner is the best player on that line

John Tavares made the Islanders worse and is currently doing the same thing for the Leafs. Stats to back it up.