Quoting: Capitalfail67
Leaf fans hate when they get average trade value for nylander who wants to be grossly overpaid. But they turn around and make a trade that would barely get you Brooks orpik for a young rhd stud. I don’t get it.
Let's not be hasty. Orpik's not going anywhere. Top three in playoff hits, blocks, and plus/minus? Fifteenth in primary assists by a defenseman and ted for 1st in SCF GWG? Earning just 1M? Not for Johnsson, Holl, and a 1st. Back to back, baby!
I mean, since Orpik's injured...maybe for Gauthier and Ozhiganov.
Quoting: LoganOllivier
Here is a question that needs to be answered well for me to even begin to believe anyone on here has a clue what they are talking about.
The consensus value of Nylander from a contractual basis, appears to be in the mid 6 millions. I'd wager that anything under 8 would very quickly still look like a great deal because Nylander's upside is very high. Manson's contract is 4.1. Pesce's contract is under 4. Chris Tanev 4+. My point here is these are all more defensive defenseman and none of them are worth more than they are getting for what they contribute.
So if the hardest thing to do in hockey is create offense, why is the player that contributes that worth less in a trade than a guy who's better than average at preventing offense but doesn't contribute any himself?
"The Leafs would have to send Nylander plus for Pesce". Every fan on here seems to think that a right handed defenceman is worth more than Nylander. Contracts alone say that is not the case, point contributions say that isn't the case, players upsides say that isn't the case.
My point is right handed defensive defenceman are not all stars, they are good players to have but they don't put butts in the seats and they don't win games.
Hey Leaf fans remember when we got Komisarek who was the best right handed defensive defenseman available? How did he do?
Defensive defensemen do seem to play on winning teams, but (a) the stats on measuring defense are still weak, and experts still make mistakes and (b) Manson and Pesce, relative to other RHD their age, are very, very good at offense, so your question does not apply. We've discussed this.
If Nylander at 7M were a good gamble, the Leafs would sign him, and trade him next summer, after he scores 30 goals. If it doesn't work, they can just trade Marner.
Whew. Glad that's solved.