If he is so keen on money, dont let him sign for whatever he wants in Carolina. Let him sit. This would be a valuable lesson for him

It might be a valuable lesson but if Carolina was willing to make this trade it keeps this distraction out of the locker room in my opinion it is better to rectify this situation in the next 2 weeks either by comming to an agreement or trading him cause odds are he will not reduce his asking price if anything it might harden his position right or wrong more than it is.

Why do you think Carolina can Nylander any easier than the Leafs? That's the weak point of so many of these trades. You think Nylander not been a Leaf a distraction, imagine the Carolina team when the trade is made, and he doesn't sign with them.

Zaitsev has played great this year. I still don't know the dislike for him?? The Leafs don't have to trade Nylander at all, and not for that package.

But all due respect to carolina that is their problem. But odds are carolina with more capspace will overpay not to have that distraction. They know what nylander wanted months ago and still were calling Dubas to see if the leafs wanted to trade him. So odds are carolina will sign him within 24 hours of this trade going through.

I like Zaitsev too the problem is he isn't living up to his contract and the leafs will need to choose between him and Gardiner. Also, the package is not that bad Pesce is a top 4 dman able to play 20-25 min a game, Bean gives them more depth on D, Foegele is a solid LW that could play a complimentary role in the 2/3 line role, and Roy if down the road they need a bottom 6 centre he has the potential of being a solid one. I get the leafs are maybe giving up the best player but signing him to 8 million hurts this teams longterm cup chances due to it being inflated salary.

That would be so hazardous for future negotiations. Dubas would be looked at under such a negative microscope.

He might but it would be right thing to do if it goes to that.. leafs fans and everybody should know that if Willy sits its solely his and his camps mistake and it shows that Dubas would stay his ground and not overpay..

Zaitsev isn't as good as Pesce, but he isn't bad. Carolina wins the above trade, short term. I'm not sure whether or not they win it by enough to shrug off losing Bean, but they remain defensively sound at RHD, and gain an experienced forward, so maybe?

If Foegele, Roy, and Bean all pan out, Toronto could end up happy with this, as well. Makes sense.

But if a team be it carolina or another team was to offer what fans and anayists feel is a fair deal that would have fixed the holes in the roster how quickly do you think the masses will turn on Dubas?

Zaitsev is a better d-man then Pesce on a good deal as well. Have you seen Zaitsev play with Team Russia? When he is given more responsibility the guy flourishes. The Leafs and Babcock have asked him to play a role and he has. Yes due to the salary cap the Leafs may lose Gardiner. It sucks! We lost JVR, last year too. BTW I hate using the "have you seen argument" but in this case it serves.

Canes have aho, Turbo and ferland to sign next season. If they overpay nylander, they will have to overpay all 4. This certainly hurts the leafs when 4 comparables from Carolina are all makiking 8m+.

The thing is he may be able to do that but it might be the size of ice surface. He may like some European players struggle with NA size and flourish in International size. But to say Pesce in not as good as Zaitsev is false. Look at their Advanced stats. Zaitsev is just getting worse every year. He needs a fresh start somewheres Pesce is a solid Shutdown dman who moves the puck efficiently. And with Liljegren, Sandin, and with this trade Bean they have replaced Zaistev in the future.

It could but it could also show Marner and Matthews that they need to be more logical in their contract demands but the thing is we have the cap to resign both and everyone else they need to to be a contender of years to come.

There was a report from Kevin McGran of the Toronto Star the other day. Saying Dubas's original plan was to trade for a "game changing" RHD. But given the situation now they are unable to find that and will simply be settling for "cost control" on a trade. They have asked teams to submit offers on who is available. I think a trade is coming soon. By the end of the week if there is going to be one.I can't imagine teams will go out on a limb with no time to work it out. It would be interesting to know if Nylander has already started talking about contracts with other teams. If that's the case it would be pretty hard for Toronto to low ball him an offer.

At the end of the day it looks like bringing in JT cost Toronto JVR and Nylander. I'm not sure that was a win for Toronto.

Carolina takes on a bunch more salary, re-sets the market for Aho and Teravainen, get better up front, but worse on the back end, and lose 3 of their top prospects.

IMO, if Bean is the guy being moved, he's the headliner. Say-Bean, Roy and Foegel for Nylander. Essentially 2 1sts and a 2nd (Slightly more than the Kessel deal was supposed to be before the Leafs ef'd the dog.

Does that help the Leafs short term? No. But the idea that you're getting an excellent top 4 dman + their top D prospect is a bit absurd. I don't get Leafs fans disdain for Zaitsev, as he's not as bad as a lot of you make him out to be, but at the same time, his contract isn't something that I'd personally want to take on if I were another team.

Dude players are there to get paid. This whole fan based idea of "being more logical" on their contracts is in your head only. These players get a few years to make as much bank as they can. They are trying to maximize their value. The team still moves on and the owners make a fortune constantly. Hell the value of the teams rising a lone is insane. The players frankly don't care about "team friendly" deals. That is some PR myth that is sold to fans by reports who don't want to be locked out by the players. Go ask any player there who watched those owners screw them in the last CBA about "team friendly". It simply isn't happening.
Too many people want to make out like these players are greedy. They aren't they just want their fair share for being the product. God knows they don't really need the owners to have a league.

I mean, yes, Toronto would be a pretty cool organization to play for, and I can see a guy like Marner wanting to be a career Leaf, but, apart from being drafted by the Leafs, why do you think Auston Matthews should have undying loyalty and take a discount? Why shouldn't he go out and try to get every dollar that he possibly can? These guys don't owe the Leafs anything?

Edit: @pharrow-Exactly. This whole idea that athletes need to take a hometown discount is ridiculous. When the players contracts get in the way, owners and managers are quick to try and jettison them away, despite the fact that they were the ones to put together the deals.

You do have a point with the international ice. It sucks playin on that. Nylander could be a top twenty player soon and you don't trade that for Pesce with Liljegren and Sandin coming. Can you imagine the Toronto media blasting the Leafs every time Nylander scores and Pesce not blocking a shot? The Leafs already have Brent Pesce, His name is Zaitsev and Gardiner.

No team will give up that much. Good NHL RHD pick and prospect maybe.

But it's not the leafs fault the cap is only 79.5 million this year. They would love to put more into salary but are not allowed so to blame the leafs for being more profitabe is unfair to the team and the fans . Also, to try and make fans feel sorry for a player being able to make more money in one season even at his market value than they will see in a lifetime is not going to fly. No one blames him for trying they blame him for stating he wants 8 million so it's untradeable which has stated to the press so he practically admitted he not worth 8 million but wants to be overpaid so the team that signs him are stuck with him for the length of the contract or are punished to retain salary. Nylander has flawed logic on why he deserves 8 million and needs to either accept a respectable bridge contract or openly admit to leaf fans he truly doesn't want to be only the 4th best forward on any team and wants to be traded.

I think people with team friendly ideas never played a sport in their life.
When I played college hockey they didn't even care if I actually got an education. Just get your butt out on the ice and shut up. All about winning.
These teams don't really care about these players. They are the first ones to hide the CTE concussion issues not caring about the effects on past players. They don't care if these players will be able to walk again after their career is over. There are a hand full of people in the league who actually do. Mainly because they played. You can look at a owner like Mario and he gets it when it comes to his star players. But you don't see that in a lot of organizations.
I knew kids growing up who totally screwed themselves up playing highschool football. For what, they never had a chance to win a scholarship. You think those schools gave a damn. Hell no.
You look at some of those players on the ice in the NHL. 3rd 4th liners out there blocking shots. Owners not giving a crap if the puck breaks out all their teeth. Fractures their skull whatever. The only reason they care if the star player gets hurt is because they won't win without them. Other than that they are meat.
Good for Nylander. Hope he gets every dime. At least he knows the game.

Actually Pesce is a solid shot blocker like i said he is a solid shutdown dman who can comfortably play 20-25 min a game.

If you’re buying UFA years, you gotta go higher. It’s not a foreign concept, for its common in today’s NHL. If Dubas is so hell bent on getting these guys at his lower number than what they’re actually worth, guys are gonna sit out. It’s not worth it for Nylander to play for $40m when he could get $60m from a handful of teams.

To be fair, the idea that it isn't the Leafs fault that the cap is $79.5 mil this year is kind of laughable.

It wasn't the players that decided that the league needed a cap, it was ownership. If one of the biggest voices out there, MLSE, weren't on board with the salary cap, it's hard to imagine that we wouldn't have heard about it.