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Also meant to comment on mayfield. Not that I would give up kappy because I think there is a better deal to be struck with Lou, he is high on zaitsev and understands his capabilities. Mayfield is a towering RHD who is starting to show a strong upside in his offensive game and has always been sturdy on his D side. He is signed for another 4 or 5 years (can’t remember) at 1.5m. Would be a perfect fit for the leafs.

Awesome, had no idea who he was, haven't watched the islanders yet this year, will on Thursday.

The CBA allows for the trading of contracts whether they be retired or ltir. The player does not have to be in playing condition. It is the contract that is traded.

I consider him a poor man’s Parayko. He will never be as good hence the poor man lol.

Hopefully they get him for less. I don't think he's an $11 mil player but I think He and his people do. So if I were to make adjustments to this it would be what?
Marner at $10.450 (Save $500k)
Brown Gone and Bracco Up (Save $1.26M)
Marchement Up and Engvall Gone (Save $157k)

That's $2M roughly saved. The issue is if you trade Zaitsev (which might be more difficult than Brown) you have to replace him with a rookie, unless you can get a less bad cap hit back. And no one can count on someone to retire. With the facts as we have them now, this is going to be tough. Not impossible though.

Mitch Marner's dad would never say such a thing!

I think using cap % is a much better way to look at the comps. Drai signed for 8.5m AAV and it was 11.3% of the cap. If Marner signed the same deal this summer, it would be around 9.4m. I think that's where the baseline is if you're talking about an 8-yr deal. My guess is 9.4m - 9.8m on an 8-yr deal, maybe 8.25-8.75 on something a little shorter, if that's what he wants.

Precisely, all this 11 mil talk is ludicrous.

Most of those wingers signed their contracts when the cap was much lower. I agree, i don't find Marner more valuable than Ovechkin or Kucherov or Kane. He has youth but those guyys all earned those contract whereas Marner is still earning his. But this is like saying that Matthews shouldn't have signed for more than $8.7 Mil because that's what Crosby gets. Different time, and Crosby took a huge discount.

I hope you are right.

Happened with Datsyuk, no problem. Marleau isn't going to agree to any trade, if he plays. It's a retired player cap hit.

Has a retired player that wasn't on LTIR ever been traded?

No it's like saying Matthews shouldnt have signed for more than 12.5 (which he didnt) Same as Marner shouldn't sign for more than 10.5. Neither should be the highest paid at their position.

Personally I felt like he shouldn't have signed for more than $11 mil (Matthews that is). But hey, hopefully that $600K doesn't come back to bite them.

Nope. Most players who are retired get cap relief. Marleau is a 35+ therefore his contract needs to be traded for cap relief.

Datsyuk announced he was going to retire Jun 18, 2016. Was traded Jun 24, 2016. NHL.com announced he officially retired Jun 25, 2016.

I think a lot of the arguments I see for 11m are because Marner could be the top point-getter for TOR again this year and that he's just as important as Matthews... IMO that doesn't really mean much. For one, the center is obviously gonna get more money than the winger if all else is considered equal, but I don't really think it's equal. Goal scoring is what you pay top dollar for, especially 5v5 goal scoring - since '16-17 AM scores 1.57 G/60 and MM scores 0.80 G/60 at 5v5. Matthews has actually outscored Marner in 5v5 pts despite playing in 29 fewer games. So if you give Marner the matching AM deal, you're saying that a guy with more PP points who plays on the wing is equal to your franchise center, 1st overall, savior of the franchise-type guy. Marner will have a lot of support for getting big money, but I don't think he hits 8 figures. I guess we will see.

So???? July 1st Marleau collects his bonus. July 2nd waives his NTC. July 3 He is traded to Arizona . He retires July 4. Marleau certainly isn't retiring before he gets his 2019/20 signing bonus on July 1.
Marleau has no intention of playing again, or else he wouldn't waive his NTC or agrees to be traded. It's not complicated.

I said this around 20 posts ago. You were saying trade him after he retires, which makes no sense.

I still put this at a 5% chance of happening.

Your brilliance shines like a light in the dark, youngNYfan..

Your post sums up my thinking as well. For the life of me I can't see how the leafs would be justified in giving marner more than Kucherov money. Comparing AM and Marner is kinda apples and oranges to me, and for a lot of the reasons that you stated. If marner does make bank at over 10M, and I'm not saying that won't happen, then I'll be very interested in hearing how Dubas explains that contract..

We do you refuse to "get it". YES, YES, he can be traded after he retires. His CAP HIT as a plus 35 signee is traded. It makes no sense that you have read dozens of trades and discussions about Marleau and refuse to believe the possibility. Marleau ONLY get traded if he retires. The question is will he retire, not whether his cap hit can be traded if he retires.

Thanks for the support, Jamie!

I was also right about Nick Jensen: 4 years at $2.5M and a great add at RD for a contender. Unfortunately, I was wrong that we could wait until he summer. . . .

Thought I went over it thoroughly... thanks Palhal.




Never a problem bud.

I think it was damn shame we didn't land Jensen, and that it was a great trade and sign by the caps. I also think that if we did get Jensen, then Dert mighta saw the press box.. and maybe that's one of the many reasons it didn't happen.

Depending on the outcome of the game tonight, and if I need to vent my frustrations, I might put together an agm tomorrow that speaks to this thought. You know, just to stir the pot ..