Quoting: leafhype
Just pointing to his counting stats and screaming "LED THEM IN POINTS $$$$ TIME" feels extremely disingenuous. I guess for all the talk of how much better he made Tavares I'm skeptical? Tavares beat his career high in points this season by TWO. Marner beat his by 25. It's hard for me to not to feel 1 player is getting more out of this arrangement than the other.
Being a winger diminishes your value in terms of how contracts in the nhl are given out. Being a playmaker is less valuable than a goal scorer. Being a winger that spent your whole year playing with like a top 5 centre in the league diminishes the value of your stats in contract talks. I don't think he's better than players like Stone, Kucherov, Kane which are the RW comparable contracts at that AAV. Like especially to that last point, even if you just point to his counting stats and ignore all context his immediate comparable RWs aren't getting paid $11 mil.
You make some good points, but you're missing a lot of key aspects:
- It's not what we think as outsiders that matters, we don't negotiate for Marner, but these are the types of things that will help his camps case. Marner's camp will use every data point imaginable to make the case that he deserves money closer to Matthews rather than further away like Pastrnak, etc.
- Look at Tavares' career high in goals, which you point out are worth more than assists (which is an intellectually lazy argument to begin with - they're dependent on one another, not exclusive, when you extrapolate to how the majority of goals are scored in the NHL) before playing with Marner versus after. It was a mutually beneficial relationship - context matters.
- Correction - being a winger
historically diminished your value in NHL contract negotiations. Remember when big contracts were only handed out after you won something? We're wayyyyyyy past those days and there's a plethora of contracts signed at the RFA level in the past 5 years to demonstrate that. Welcome to the new NHL where you get paid before you win because guys are now getting pushed out of the league at 30 years of age and aren't playing into their 40s anymore.
- Why would it disadvantage Marner for him proving he can hang and produce with an elite centre in the NHL? I've heard some bad arguments on this website, but that one was god awful lol. Have you see how many wingers have been injected with Crosby and McDavid over the years. The guys who couldn't keep up with them get punished in their eventual contract negotiations, not the ones who thrive.
- It's not if Marner is "better" than his comparables, and you haven't factored things in like UFA status or reduced state taxes into your arguments which shows your understanding is on the limited side, it's how important he is to the Toronto Maple Leafs. That's all that matters, and his camp has a lot of data that can demonstrate that he is very important to the organization and should be compensated similarly to Matthews and Tavares. Look how Eichel got his RFA contract with Buffalo - they had no other star power and his camp negotiated masterfully to show how much he meant to that organization and got paid according to what Buffalo thinks he is worth.