You have to add to Kapanen IMO and something decent. Larsson obviously isn't Hall worthy but a top 4 RHD is worth more than a middle 6 winger with only 1 ok year under his belt and that was while playing with one of the best Cs in the league.

We’re not trading McCann. How about Bjugstad and Jarry for Kadri and a 4th?

Considering that EDM has no other RHDs aside from Larsson, TOR should add to make the deal more profitable for EDM.

That destroys the purpose of the move. Kadri should be traded for cheaper C/W and that was my idea behind it. McCann would fit nicely in Toronto and Kadri would fit greatly on Pens tbh.





Yeah, makes sense. Just the idea is important. As you might already know I love Larsson and his defensive game so that would be imo no problem at all and he is still young. Kappy and mid draft pick?

Just exploring options.

Don't think so. It'd still create a bigger hole to EDM roster than it would solve.

Would you move Rielly for as good winger as he is plus a 3rd rounder? I doubt it, because the hole that Rielly would leave would be too hard to fill. The situation is pretty same with EDM.

I agree with Dirty, I'd be willing to offer up more too. Think Kapanen and a 2nd does it? Or instead of the Van Reimsdyke trade, Brown and Kapanen and a late pick makes EDM bite?

After contemplating a Kappy + Brown for Larsson deal, I still don't think it is that close. Teams aren't quick to jump at trading their top RHD so a significant overpay would likely have to happen IMO.

I'll be a homer here but I definitely think Rielly holds more value than Larsson. I really like Larsson but Rielly put up 72 points this year. I really don't think he keeps that up and is more of a 55-65 range dman but still wouldn't compare the two.

I agree that Rielly has more value, but he holds the same role that Larsson has in EDM, basically a first pair D.

Well Johnsson and Kappy for Larsson would do it... tough for Leafs to give up both though. I think EDM offers up a bit but that's intriguing. I like Larsson's style and cap hit. Rielly-Larsson, Muzzin-Zaistev doesn't look too bad with dermott and hopefully one of our young guys stepping up.

He meant it as role thing. Rielly is levels better than Larsson but rolewise he is as important. And Bouchard is not ready for those minutes. I would then not move for Larsson tbh. Kappy would get us different top-4 Dman imo.

I agree and understand what you were getting at. Essentially "Would you move your best dman (regardless of their skill level)?"

Edmonton needs D. They also could use some wingers. Digging this hole on the point to fill a role doesn't make a ton of sense. They're also in the same cap crunch that the Leafs are in, which makes it even tougher.

Precisely.

He probably gets a top 4 guy, but it would likely be a second tier guy (Zaitsev type). Does that fill a role enough though?

Larsson is not going to be traded, leafs would have to overpay kappy, high draft pick, 2 prospects. Even that will probably not work.

I want that guy to be relatively young but still good and solid defensively with good puckmovement who can handle 18-20 minutes a night with ease, sometimes more. Sometimes less, it would depend.

Not really. They don't have any marque RFA's that need signing this summer, there's no cap pressure at all in Edmonton. Edmonton has Khaira, Puljujarvi and Chiasson expiring, with $12M to work with. $4M will cover all 3 guys easily, meaning they actually have cap space and any additional cap space created would be used for UFA's.

Toronto has Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson and Gardiner up for new contracts and just $8.5M in space to work with. Even if they let Gardiner walk, they still don't have near enough space.

Someone with an expiring contract might work, like Spurgeon or Vatanen. They aren't young, but they play the correct position at least. Neither guy is a shutdown defender though, is that what TO is looking for?

$12 mil to upgrade their D, get a couple of wingers, and find a backup goalie disappears pretty quickly. Edmonton doesn't have a ton aside from Yamamoto coming, and he comes with as many question marks around him as Puljujarvi.

They have a lot of D upgrades coming up, I guess you don't follow the team? And while I agree that $12M doesn't go far, it's discretionary spending money. There simply isn't the same type of cap pressure AT ALL that Toronto is facing this summer.

Haha, the classic "You clearly know nothing!" response. It's hard to look away from a train wreck, man.

They have Bear, Bouchard, Samorukov and Jones all coming at some point. One was a 1st rounder, one was a 3rd rounder, one was a 4th rounder, and the other was a 5th rounder. Some may certainly have been steals, but considering the work of the Oilers scouting dept, I wouldn't hold my breath. Combined, they've played 35 NHL games. Time will certainly tell if they'll become what you want them to be, but assuming that they're going to fill the massive gaps that you've got would be extremely "Oilers" of you.

I simply asked you a question. You mentioned Yamamoto as the only prospect coming which clearly isn't the case, so I guessed that you don't follow the team and phrased it as a question. Don't get so pissy.


What does their draft position have to do with anything? There are TONS of great NHL defenders that were drafted outside the 1st round.

2014
Montour - 2nd

2013
Pesce - 3rd

2012
Gostisbehere - 3rd
Parayko - 3rd
Slavin - 4th

2011
Manson - 6th

2010
Faulk - 2nd
Gudas - 3rd
Klingberg - 5th

And plenty more 2nd and 3rd pairing guys I didn't bother to list.


What massive gaps? The Oilers already have a fairly young core of Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse, so they're looking for one 2nd pairing guy (Bouchard, the 10th overall pick who tore up the OHL this spring and is doing the same in very limited minutes in the AHL right now, should be ready to fill this role by 2020-21) and then 3rd pairing guys. If these prospects don't work out at 3rd pairing (Jones already proved this year that he's ready for 3rd pairing minutes so this is moot) they can hire 3rd pairing guys on the UFA market for under $2M each - not a big deal at all.

My mistake, I was talking about up front since we were talking about Kapanen. As for being "pissy", I sincerely apologize. When someone makes a valid point, and the first retort is "You clearly don't follow the team", it's usually said in a super happy, sunshiny way, so I don't know how I could have possibly taken that the wrong way. I was wrong. All good.

You're also right, draft position doesn't mean a ton. Assuming that 4 guys 21 years old and younger are going to ride in on white stallions and save the day is completely logical. No fan in the world would ever overvalue their own prospects. I do agree that Bouchard is probably going to be really good though.

The good news out of all of this is that you are 100% right. They have a great young core of Klefbom, Larsson and Nurse, and adding Bouchard to that should totally fix the fact that they were #7 in the league in goals against last year, and their 30th ranked PK is probably set to be super good next year as well. They'll have Koskinen back between the pipes next year too, so that'll be fun!

As for Jones, advanced metrics may not agree with you, but numbers are for dummies. Everything that I've said is moot. Carry on with your sunshiny day! Perhaps you'll be able to enjoy the teams second playoff appearance in 14 years in 2019-2020!

Thanks! I think there's something wrong with my sarcasm meter today, so I'll just take your post at face value. Great post!

A couple of things though:

- Jones' stats. He was forced to play 1st pairing in the NHL this year due to injuries, about half of his minutes were way higher in the lineup than he should have been. If you take those minutes out you'll see that he proved capable of playing 3rd pairing. This is what I asserted above, you missed the nuance of it.
- next year. Nobody is suggesting Bouchard will make an impact next year, in fact I maintain that Bouchard should play in the AHL next year. I specifically mentioned 2020-21, which you conveniently ignored.
- 4 guys 21 and younger. Nobody is expecting all 4 guys to make the NHL full-time, although 3 are tracking that way for sure. We only need ONE of the guys to play 2nd pair, and that not until 2020. Jones has already proved he can play 3rd pair (the org feels Lagesson can, too) but if not, they can pick up UFA's to fill those spots. So you are completely misrepresenting what I wrote. ONE guy out of four, not FOUR out of four. Big, big difference.
- goals against. Injuries, poor play from the whole team, suspect goaltending play a big part in this number. GA is a team metric, after all. Remember, this is basically the same defense corp that was 8th BEST for GA in the league in 2016-17. Having Sekera and Klefbom healthy all year would be huge. If they aren't, there are now several players from the farm team that are ready to step in; before, there wasn't.

Not to jump in outta turn, but just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this exchange.

Capfriendly has kinda become my default to gain info on teams around the league. I like it cause it allows me to ignore the media knuckleheads and what they're trying to sell.

There's lots to learn here from posters putting up their opinions and having discussion. And when its done well its enjoyable to follow along. You and Lenny are a good example of that.. so, thanks for this.

And when its done poorly and bs opinions fly and the trolls come out.. well , thats also enjoyable, cause I like laughing at them from my side of the screen