Toronto has to add in a nylander for pesce deal. Not the other way around

Pesce is a 2nd pair RHD Dman, but according to ACGM's on this site he is a Top 5 overall NHL Dman. Nylander had a **** year but is a future 70 point player.

Cool. As long as you’re talking about what a player on a crap contract could be and what a player is on an amazing contract, guess who has to add?

Actually for a cheap team and owner like the Canes, Nylander has a great contract, his actually cash amount paid is lower than his cap hit. The math is 24.7 million paid over the next 5 years (700K next year than 6 million for 4 seasons), yet the cap hit of nearly 7 million.

"amazing contract" for Pesce when he provides little to no offence.. it's not as good of a deal as people think.

Trade crazy but no crazy trades. Jax maybe. Seems like you could get much better return for Kadri. Nicely done though.

Sometimes it helps to keep the puck out of the net. I would think a leafs fan would appreciate that

Mike Komisarek signed for $4.5M per season to "keep the puck out of the net" ... as much as you have to do that to win, you still can't win without scoring goals. Nylander provides far more offensive value than Pesce's defensive value.. Toronto certainly doesn't add more in a deal. At best for Carolina, it'd be straight up 1 for 1. Likely Carolina adds a bit more though

Well if you are this year's Stanley Cup Champions it helps to smash heads and take out knees, but as a Bruins fan I would think you'd appreciate that.

There's a good chance either Kap and or Johnsson gets an offer sheet for $1M more. Guys who score 21 goals and 40+ points don't grow on trees and are easily worth $3.25M to $4M which I believe is only a 2nd round pick in compensation if the Leafs don't match.

This is a losers mentality. Goals are fun. Offense is fun. Aim for nothing but offense and you wind up like Dallas. Goals and nothing to show for it.

The objective of the game isn’t to score goals, it’s to score more than the other team. If you give up 0 goals you will always win. There’s no amount of goals scored that guarantees a victory. Defense wins. Always.

Pesce got 29 points this season and likely would've gotten over the 30 point mark had he not missed 9 games this season so while that isn't huge numbers it's not exactly "little to no offense" either, Lindell is a $5.75M defenseman and that's what his point production is. Vlasic gets $7M to be a 25-30 point defenseman, idk, Pesce' contract is pretty good value all things considered. I don't think the Leafs would need to add if they were sending Nylander for Pesce but Carolina shouldn't be adding either.

Because Carolina's defence won them the cup this year eh? & it's funny you mention Dallas as a team that "aim for nothing but offence" yet they were one of the top defensive teams this year and had trouble scoring goals..

Nylander's defence is controlling the puck 200ft from his own net. The more time you spend in the offensive zone, the less time the other team has to score. Nylander doesn't need to be the guy getting the puck out of his end, the defence and centreman do that. But Pesce needs to be the guy getting the puck out of his end and keeping the puck in the other teams end to prevent scoring chances.. If you think offence doesn't win you games, you don't know hockey. Defence isn't just about preventing goals in your own end, you should learn that.

Team defense involves a good system and all forwards being responsible. A good coach can create the best defensive team despite lacking any real top Dman talent, any joker can flop to the ice to block shots or cross check opposing forwards a dozen times without penalty come playoff time.

I thought Dallas' problem this season was not much for goals outside of their top 3 players so they were a defensively strong team or did I miss something? lol

I agree with the sentiment though, the game isn't solely goals and pure offense, if you can't defend or prevent goals you're not winning a thing. The amount of rubber Andersen has to face is ridiculous!

Lindell is massively overpaid. He's actually brutal. So bad comparison. & Vlasic is overpaid too but he's won before and could command that kinda money, that's why he got his contract.

This year is the first year Dallas committed to defense. Furthest they’ve gone in a long time. Shocker.

Exactly.

Case and point: NY Islanders from 2017-2019.. were brutal defensively in 2017/2018.. but then get a new coach and actually don't gain any significant players plus lose a franchise centre who's defensively responsible and they become one of the best defensive teams in the league because of the coach they hired in Barry Trotz

Weird that they don’t. It’s that easy. Just grab a bunch of jokers. Why can’t the leafs just grab a bunch of jokers and win then? Why can’t I remember the last time they won a series? It’s so easy. Just need any joker.

2016 they went to the second round and lost in 7 to St.Louis when they weren't "committed" to defence.. so you might wanna fact check there next time.

It's one season, they don't have much leverage. They are clos to evolving Wilde's projections, a tad low on Johansson if I recall.

& refer to my last post.. the NY Islanders prove you wrong from 2 seasons ago to last season. Not much of a roster change and a dramatic change in defensive play because of coaching. Shocker.

Have you met the Leafs GM? his name is Dubas but we like to call him Dumbass.

they're pretty close to fair value actually. Kapanen is likely right around there, only thing I'd change is Johnsson's if he's on a 4 year deal. He's older so a 4 year deal buys out more UFA years. 4 years would probably be between $3.25M-$3.5M for him

How?