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The Worst DMen In The NHL

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Initial Creation Date: Jul. 26, 2019
Published: Jul. 26, 2019
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$4,625,000$4,625,000
LD
M-NTC
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
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$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
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$700,000$700,000
RD
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
RD
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UFA - 5
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$4,250,000$4,250,000
LD
M-NTC
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,350,000$4,350,000
LD/RD, LW
M-NTC
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$5,700,000$5,700,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$4,333,333$4,333,333
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$4,000,000$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$725,000$725,000
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Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:23 p.m.
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Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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i agree with most of this but i dont think harpur should be on here he does his job hes physical hes just as good as any other 7th defenceman and hes not overpriced
Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:24 p.m.
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i agree with most of this but i dont think harpur should be on here he does his job hes physical hes just as good as any other 7th defenceman and hes not overpriced


I've only read bad things about him from Ottawa and Toronto fans
Fair enough, I'll remove him because he is technically a 7th D
Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:31 p.m.
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Gudbranson played really well for the penguins last year. Not sure how you can include him there.

He had an even strength Corsi of 54.7%, was a +5 and had roughly 60% of his starts in the D zone. in 19 games.

If that is a bad defense men, give me 6 of them please.
Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:32 p.m.
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How the hell are these the worst? I mean I agree with Ericcson bc he trash but I mean Cody ceci? Danny Dekeyser? Ristolainen??
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Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:36 p.m.
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I get Alzner, But I don't think Chariot deserve his place here -­­ there is manny D who are worst!
Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:40 p.m.
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Gudbranson played really well for the penguins last year. Not sure how you can include him there.

He had an even strength Corsi of 54.7%, was a +5 and had roughly 60% of his starts in the D zone. in 19 games.

If that is a bad defense men, give me 6 of them please.


In a small sample size he was good. Historically he’s been horrible
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Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:41 p.m.
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i agree with most of this but i dont think harpur should be on here he does his job hes physical hes just as good as any other 7th defenceman and hes not overpriced


Harpur was *Awful* last year.


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Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
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Risto is definitely not that bad
Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.
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This list seems like you just randomly picked older guys who used to have an impact in the league and guys who you have never heard of and then labeled them as "bad" because they don't put up 60+ points like EK
Jul. 26, 2019 at 2:56 p.m.
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In a small sample size he was good. Historically he’s been horrible


There are night and day stats last year from him being in VAN and PIT.
You tell me, is it the player, or what the team was asking him to do?
He didn't have that kind of massive improvement over night. I can tell you that much
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:13 p.m.
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This list seems like you just randomly picked older guys who used to have an impact in the league and guys who you have never heard of and then labeled them as "bad" because they don't put up 60+ points like EK


Alzner - Terrible contract, not a very good defencemen - demoted to AHL
Johnson - Makes everyone on his team worse. Cannot create transition. Mostly a liability
Ristolainen - Great offensively but is not good in his own zone. +/- is a bad stat but I'd be worried if my top pairing d man was -41 with nobody else but Tage Thompson on that team being close to that.
Bogosian - He had a bit of a comeback year but is still overpaid and makes mistakes in his own end.
Stone - Do I even need to explain this one? Has basically been injured or a non-factor for the last 3/4 years.
Seabrook - His play really fell off. Coupled with that brutal contract for FIVE more years.
Ericsson/DeKeyser - Overpaid for what they offer and are below average d men. Certainly not top pairing D men but are paid as such.
Hagg - Advanced stats will show you that pretty much all he does is hit. He's horrible in his own end.
Russell - He was alright last season but overall, his time in Edmonton would best be forgotten.
Staal - Used to be decent. But injuries and age have derailed his career. Still has 2 years left on that 5.7million deal.
Smith - The Rangers wanted to buy him out. That is all I need to say.
Ceci - Absolute disaster in his own end in Ottawa. Could be utilized and sheltered on the third pairing but for 4.5 million..? Absolutely not.
Chiarot - He isn't that much better than Alzner tbh. Doesn't bring much to the table.
Kulikov - Overpaid as well and his play has fallen off like a landslide.
Gudbranson - Historically, very bad but played alright in Pittsburgh as a sheltered 3rd pairing D. But making 4 million.
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Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:16 p.m.
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There are night and day stats last year from him being in VAN and PIT.
You tell me, is it the player, or what the team was asking him to do?
He didn't have that kind of massive improvement over night. I can tell you that much


I hope you’re right but I’m still not sold. Players have hot games
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:17 p.m.
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There are night and day stats last year from him being in VAN and PIT.
You tell me, is it the player, or what the team was asking him to do?
He didn't have that kind of massive improvement over night. I can tell you that much


The problem is, $4 million for a sheltered 3rd pairing D man is too much. He was supposed to be a top pairing beast but did not pan out.
Similarly, if you play Ceci in that same position with sheltered minutes, he would do just as well.
It all depends on who his matchups are but he is not worth anywhere near 4 million which is why he is on this list.
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Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.
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I get Alzner, But I don't think Chariot deserve his place here -­­ there is manny D who are worst!


I've seen a lot of data pointing that defensively he isn't that much better than Alzner.
Only the eye test will reveal what he has to offer in MTL.
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:19 p.m.
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Risto is definitely not that bad


He's offensively gifted, can run a powerplay but he needs a lot of work defensively. It's weird because he hits, blocks and shoots but is just sloppy in his own end.
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:20 p.m.
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He's offensively gifted, can run a powerplay but he needs a lot of work defensively. It's weird because he hits, blocks and shoots but is just sloppy in his own end.


Ur right about all those things, but that doesn’t make t fair to call him one of the worst yk
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:20 p.m.
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Harpur was *Awful* last year.




Yes, this is the post I saw! Him and Ceci were terrible in Ottawa.
Ceci could do well on a third pairing with sheltered minutes but whoever plays him top pair will not be happy
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:22 p.m.
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He's offensively gifted, can run a powerplay but he needs a lot of work defensively. It's weird because he hits, blocks and shoots but is just sloppy in his own end.


The problem is, as a dman you can't be making those sloppy plays every night. That -41 is a lot of self-infliction. Bad passes from his zone, turnovers etc.
It's why the market is pretty quiet on him right now.
Points-wise he's good. If he got his act together defensively, he'd be the complete package
Jul. 26, 2019 at 3:24 p.m.
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Quoting: Berickson13
How the hell are these the worst? I mean I agree with Ericcson bc he trash but I mean Cody ceci? Danny Dekeyser? Ristolainen??


None of those d men you listed belong on a list of good defencemen
Risto at least has his offensive game going for him but the others absolutely not
Everyone in Ottawa will tell you exactly how bad Cody Ceci was
Jul. 26, 2019 at 4:05 p.m.
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The problem is, $4 million for a sheltered 3rd pairing D man is too much. He was supposed to be a top pairing beast but did not pan out.
Similarly, if you play Ceci in that same position with sheltered minutes, he would do just as well.
It all depends on who his matchups are but he is not worth anywhere near 4 million which is why he is on this list.


yes, but Ceci isn't going to reach over players and grab a player like wilson and bull dog his head into the ice when he tries to start crap with a teams 40 goal winger.
You get what you pay for. He's wasn't a bad fit for the penguins and he filled a need. It is what it is. Hell Boston paid Chara 5 million last year and all he did was get blow off the ice every time he had to chase a puck. But we all know that isn't really the only reason Chara was there. So lets just call it what it is. You are paying for more than just a 3rd pairing guy. And the fact that he's not a totally useless goon says something. He can be on the ice for more than 5 minutes.
Jul. 26, 2019 at 4:16 p.m.
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Alzner - Terrible contract, not a very good defencemen - demoted to AHL
Johnson - Makes everyone on his team worse. Cannot create transition. Mostly a liability
Ristolainen - Great offensively but is not good in his own zone. +/- is a bad stat but I'd be worried if my top pairing d man was -41 with nobody else but Tage Thompson on that team being close to that.
Bogosian - He had a bit of a comeback year but is still overpaid and makes mistakes in his own end.
Stone - Do I even need to explain this one? Has basically been injured or a non-factor for the last 3/4 years.
Seabrook - His play really fell off. Coupled with that brutal contract for FIVE more years.
Ericsson/DeKeyser - Overpaid for what they offer and are below average d men. Certainly not top pairing D men but are paid as such.
Hagg - Advanced stats will show you that pretty much all he does is hit. He's horrible in his own end.
Russell - He was alright last season but overall, his time in Edmonton would best be forgotten.
Staal - Used to be decent. But injuries and age have derailed his career. Still has 2 years left on that 5.7million deal.
Smith - The Rangers wanted to buy him out. That is all I need to say.
Ceci - Absolute disaster in his own end in Ottawa. Could be utilized and sheltered on the third pairing but for 4.5 million..? Absolutely not.
Chiarot - He isn't that much better than Alzner tbh. Doesn't bring much to the table.
Kulikov - Overpaid as well and his play has fallen off like a landslide.
Gudbranson - Historically, very bad but played alright in Pittsburgh as a sheltered 3rd pairing D. But making 4 million.


Did you eat Adderall for lunch today or do you always have this much time on your hands?
Jul. 26, 2019 at 4:49 p.m.
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Ceci could do well on a third pairing with sheltered minutes but whoever plays him top pair will not be happy


The Leafs are getting ready to find this out the hard way.
Jul. 27, 2019 at 8:48 a.m.
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Quoting: vic997
None of those d men you listed belong on a list of good defencemen
Risto at least has his offensive game going for him but the others absolutely not
Everyone in Ottawa will tell you exactly how bad Cody Ceci was


Maybe it was just ottawa that sucked and not him?? Lol. And same for dekeyser. The wings defense has been god awful for the last 5 or 6 years. He’s a #3-4 defenseman having to be a #1 for the last 5 years, give him a break. He’s actually pretty good but never got the proper chance to develop. And same for risto, he’s the only good defenseman on a terrible team. Everyone else on this list I can somewhat agree with but you hating bro frfr
Jul. 29, 2019 at 7:26 a.m.
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Maybe it was just ottawa that sucked and not him?? Lol. And same for dekeyser. The wings defense has been god awful for the last 5 or 6 years. He’s a #3-4 defenseman having to be a #1 for the last 5 years, give him a break. He’s actually pretty good but never got the proper chance to develop. And same for risto, he’s the only good defenseman on a terrible team. Everyone else on this list I can somewhat agree with but you hating bro frfr


Buffalo acquired Montour, Miller and Jokiharju in a span of one year. It wouldn't be crazy to say that Risto is on his way out considering these 3 are all RD and should all make the roster.
His value is too low to trade right now based on his last season. Hopefully he can turn things around as Buffalo got much better this offseason
 
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