You’re gonna have to add Carlson to get the panthers to answer the phone. Barkov is much better player and 4 years younger

Kuznetsov is one of three active players with a thirty point postseason. The last time there was an active player, under thirty, with a 30 point postseason, the Panthers traded Ed Jovanovski for him.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&seasonFrom=19171918&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=3&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=points,goals,assists

But if you're sure Florida's okay, then it sounds like Kuznetsov is staying in Washington.

“Allegedly better defensively”

This better be a joke post. If the Panthers got this, they’d counter with Connolly for Ovechkin. There is no one in the Capitals organization the Panthers would ever consider trading for Barkov.

Okay. Then Kuznetsov isn't going anywhere. Have a wonderful day.

I will say Barkov plays bigger mintues and kills a ton of penalties, and that's why I added in Chandler Stephenson, who's also pretty good at faceoffs, and has the speed to check some pretty good players. But after four hundred games apiece, Kuznetsov's plus/minus is twice as good. Must be all those years playing with defensive aces like Burakovsky and Ovechkin.

With that logic, TB should trade Steven Stamkos in exchange to Justin Williams because his performance in the playoffs were better.

Barkov's TOP3 2-way player in the league, TOP5 C with a 96-point season under him in a worse team than WSH and also only 23 years old.

Kuznetsov's barely a TOP15 C, possibly not even that, under a 72 point season in a better team and just got caught from using cocaine during a national competition.

Despite Kuznetsov had a terrific playoff run a year ago, his current value isn't even a half of what Barkov's value is.

Just look at these charts from last 3 years. According to them, there's not a single part of the game where Kuznetsov edges Barkov.

Usually if one guy leads his team by a ton of points, it seems like he did more of the work, because he was probably double-covered, so Stamkos getting 18 points in the 2015 playoffs is just as impressive as Justin WIlliams getting 25 in '14, when Kopitar and Carter got just as many. Similarly, I know Kuznetsov played with Ovechkin, but he also had to carry someone most of this board insisted was a fourth line right wing on any good team, on that line.

I'm more impressed that Barkov was tenth in the league in points last year than that he got a ninety point season when his linemate had four fewer points, in a year that produced three times as many ninety point seasons (14) as the previous ten year average (4.6).

My main point is the Caps aren't giving Kuznetsov away, while he's going through some hard times. They have five other centers on their roster and they'll give him a sweater as soon as he's ready.

If my value on the above trade is off by a pick or something, it really doesn't change that.

Well the panthers are giving away barkov. Stephenson is a3rd liner tops. And Copley is a back up and will never be anything but. It’s like trading McDavid for Matthews. Both good players but one is way above the other regardless who of they play with.

Lots of coke in Miami, probably not good for his recovery.

I'm gonna keep saying this until the hockey world wakes up and takes note: plus/minus is the worst indicator of an individual player's ability, talent or effort. It relies too heavily on teammates. I am sure we will all agree that Backstrom is one of the best players on the team but according to +/- last year he was the 19th best Cap.

Yes. Good point. Just as importantly: addiction is a treatable mental illness, caused by drugs and often cured by other drugs. Countries where addiction is treated for free don't have wars on drugs, so they don't have to pay to militarize their police forces, and neither their populations nor their police forces are as likely to get shot as we are. Cocaine mimics a natural chemical signal for happiness, and may be used to self-medicate for depression. Safer antidepressants are legally available, and I'm optimistic that Kuznetsov can get on one of those, and talk with doctors who specialize in addiction about how to take better care of himself.

If that involves finding a science-based rehab facility and taking a vacation there, then I'm sure as hockey fans we'll wish him a speedy recovery, and as Caps fans we'll enjoy seeing Ovechkin play with Backstrom again. Or maybe one of the other three centers on the roster, to spread out the offense. Or McMichael for nine or ten games. Or Gersich as an injury call-up. Whatever. Drop the puck.

Your logic always makes me lol.


What is the difference between Was/Fla +/- over that time? +/- isn't a very good rate of a player.





... but they also get a backup goalie... who had the same amount of wins as "the ghost of Cam Ward".

Lol Barkov is one of the best players in the game, this silly offer ain't gonna cut it.